This highlights the for-profit versus for-use development paradigms that separate Windows from Linux: Microsoft need only to make Windows good enough to sell. Open-source developers strive to make their operating system perfect.
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Critical wrote:
Flame Sage wrote: Cedega and/or WINE for the win! never had any trouble running games on my linux boxes with one or the other. | |
JP I'd like to add my print of Windows XP only requires me to install my video driver. Everything else works 100% just fine. At this point I'd also like to state, me, I have never gotten the Blue Screen of Death, although I know of it. My PC would just freeze up or just plain out crash without a BSOD.
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Of course you need to install a video driver. The computer should function without it, such as browsing the internet, but if you want maximum performance (or anything above minimum for games and such), you'll need to update or install the driver for your video card. This statement is directly mainly at gaming cards.
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DDSR wrote:
In all my years, I have never once seen windows crash I had my first hands-on experience with Vista recently and thought it would be relevant to this thread. It was a fresh, factory install on a brand-new laptop. It was running Vista Business Edition, and the owner was complaining that there weren't any games on it. Luckily I just happened to have a game on my USB drive, so I whipped it out and plugged it in. I had to hunt around a bit to figure out how to actually access the drive in the new Windows Explorer interface they have. Not a great start, but I'm willing to overlook it on the grounds that I may just be too used to the pre-Vista interface. After a bit of clicking around, I eventually find it. Yay! I open up the drive so we can look inside. And Explorer crashes. O...kay. Remember, this is on a brand-new virgin installation, on hardware that is certified Vista-compatible (according to the little sticker near the keyboard). And all I've been doing is clicking around. It has no reason to crash. I was also slightly disgusted to see that they still haven't fixed that stupid design where explorer.exe is both the file manager and the shell, so whenever the file manager crashes the entire shell goes down! Stupid, stupid, stupid. So after a while it automatically starts explorer.exe again and we get our shell back. So I open up Explorer again and open the USB drive. It shows as blank. I know for a fact that there are files on it. It works fine on Windows XP and Mac OS X. I checked it both beforehand and afterwards; all the files are there. It's formatted as standard FAT32 and it uses a standard USB 2.0 interface. And yet Vista can't read it, even though XP can. What. The? I unplugged it in disgust. I was willing to give Vista a chance despite all the horror stories I'd heard, but as far as I can see it's most definitely gone backwards since XP. Ultimate fail. | |
Crispy wrote:
DDSR wrote: Isnt vista great? i just(As a matter of fact, today) used Vista. My friend and i were presenting a project on the teacher's new Vista Laptop. We put a DVD+R in the drive. Windows Crashed. Rebooted the computer, tried again. Guess what, it didn't "Autoplay"(As XP would, unless you have that feature diabled, like i do =D). We went to go access the drive, and It never dected the DVD+R. The Computer has the latest DVD Burner/Reader with the drivers installed. <sarcasam>Windows Vista is the best OS ever!</sarcasam> | |
digitalmouse wrote:
Critical wrote: Does it play San Andreas, Stalker, Just Cause, BF 2142, TM United, Condmned, Halo 2 when it comes out and DX 10 games and does it support 8800s? Show me Cedega or Wine that supports them at full speed and i'll swap. | |
Axerob wrote:
Isnt vista great? i just(As a matter of fact, today) used Vista. My friend and i were presenting a project on the teacher's new Vista Laptop. We put a DVD+R in the drive. Windows Crashed. Rebooted the computer, tried again. Guess what, it didn't "Autoplay"(As XP would, unless you have that feature diabled, like i do =D). We went to go access the drive, and It never dected the DVD+R. The Computer has the latest DVD Burner/Reader with the drivers installed. <sarcasam>Windows Vista is the best OS ever!</sarcasam> Well duh, that DVD could have had copyrighted music or video belonging to the RIAA! | |
Revenant Jesus wrote:
I have never gotten the Blue Screen of Death, although I know of it. My PC would just freeze up or just plain out crash without a BSOD. Perhaps, you've most likely gotten it, but you simply don't know. That is because the clever default setting, is to automagically reboot when a BSOD occurs, which also doesn't let you look at the error (nice job MS!). <small>Widowz newbi!</small> Make sure you got the auto-reboot turned off, at System Properties (right-click 'My Computer'->Properties) -> Advanced tab -> (Startup and Recovery) Settings. | |
That is really horrible, Crispy. I hate how different two installations of the same OS can be. It's so hard to explain to people how something can work on my computer and not theirs, or the other way around.
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Revenant Jesus wrote:
My PC would just freeze up or just plain out crash without a BSOD. As pointed out, that IS a BSOD - Its just masked. | |
"In all my years, I have never once seen windows crash, fail, get hacked, etc anywhere at any time."
You're either lieing or you haven't been around computers your whole life. "Quit pushing linux you fanboys, windows ins't that bad, you're just biased." That's quite funny, because people who push Linux (PS: Linux isn't an OS!) are either current Windows users or have been Windows users for a long time. So how is that biased? I totally promote open-source and free projects, there's nothing better. The internet and the world are heading more towards this, and that's a good thing. Windows isn't an open-source OS, we know that, but it's a damn pricey one. Computer software should be getting cheaper, not more expensive. Now I have nothing against you promoting Windows, go ahead if you wish, but don't be such a benighted fool like you were in your post. I have just never seen so much ignorance in two lines before. | |
Yes Open and Free are good but It doesnt mean you have to push everyone to it, let people be and understand that some people just want something that works.
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And also pollutes the internet with spam and viruses.
It wouldn't be a problem, but idiots using windows is the major cause of the proliferation of spam and viruses. If most computers weren't so susceptible, it wouldn't be a problem. The oft-cited statistic is that 25% of the internet is part of a botnet. Guess what percentage of that 25% is windows. Is it because windows is amazingly common? No, it's not. Roughly 70% of webservers run linux. Most of those are't in a botnet. And the 15% or so that run Windows are attacked way out of proportion to the number of such servers. | |
Crispy wrote:
I was willing to give Vista a chance despite all the horror stories I'd heard, but as far as I can see it's most definitely gone backwards since XP. Ultimate fail. Yep, Vista is definitely to XP as ME was to 95/98. It's a cash cow that presents far more problems than features. Worse, many of those problems are directly related to consumer-gouging DRM issues. I understand it does add a lot of flash, but the price you're paying for that flash is ridiculous. I read an article recently by someone who discovered how much they hated Vista. They were surprised because all their upgrades before had gone smoothly, including ME. I got to wondering if the author was drunk out of his frickin' mind from 2000-2002 or so, because to my knowledge nobody has ever upgraded to ME and been able to call it an improvement over 98SE, let alone smooth-running and better than ever. Windows ME was a crash-happy piece of garbage. Lummox JR | |
Critical wrote:
Does it play San Andreas yep. http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/wiki/ Grand_Theft_Auto_-_San_Andreas Stalker, it is listed in the Cedega Games databsse, but no-one appears to have tested it - http://cedega.com/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3632 Just Cause not yet, but i've heard of people trying it out BF 2142 http://cedega.com/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=4554 the rest you can look up yourself at http://cedega.com/gamesdb/. not every game is listed, but for those that are not, i would imagine that someone has tried it. and does it support 8800s? not sure- check out http://www.transgaming.com/ index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=36&meid=#6 as far as 'full speed' is concerned, since Cedega and Wine are not emulators but 'abstraction layers', games and programs run at pretty much the native speed of the host machine. i've noticed no jitter or graphical lag when playing games at full rez, like Half-Life, StarCraft, Need For Speed, and Elder Scrolls. | |
7.04 has shaped up to be the best distro I have seen. It really says a lot for how far and how fast Linux has come. I can't wait for 7.10. Every jump in Ubuntu, on their 6 month release cycle, has been as big as jumps in Windows versions. That's quite a feat, if you ask me. Linux, in general, is enhancing at 10 times the speed of Windows (Assuming the 5 year release cycles of Windows).