Well, my daughter just played her first videogame with her mom today. It makes me so jealous of what she's going to grow up with compared to what we had when I was a kid.
I grew up with an Atari and later upgraded to NES. I played that NES until I got an N64. Then, I got a Playstation, and managed to get a PS2 for the price of free until I could buy myself a gamecube and an XBox later on too.
Well, I'm jealous, I guess. My daughter, hardly two years old played her first game of Wii sports today, on the Wii that I bought my wife a few weeks back.
Yeah, she's too young, and didn't really get it, but still, she's a kid, playing with amazing technology that is just the tip of the iceberg of what's coming out by the time she's 12-13, and gets her own console (My kids are BORN gamers, trust me, I just know it.).
I mean, Making 2-D, four color sprites was a career when I was coming up, and now the career field has expanded into making 4 billion polygon characters, rigging skeletons, and using motion-capture to animate models...
Imagine how jaded she's going to be when she sees these videogames. She won't appreciate the glory of tetris, or pacman, or defender, galaga, space invaders, asteroids, pitfall, atari return of the jedi, unless of course, they are on a god damn cell phone!
This is crap guys! From now on, ALL of you, have to teach your future offspring the glory of 1980-1995 gaming. I mean, the full course, from Asteroids all the way down the line to The Legend of Zelda for the NES.
My daughter ain't getting a PS4 or no crap like that until she can get to at least level 11 of tetris, beat the second quest in the original Zelda, AND beat doom on Nightmare.
Grah, this crap makes me feel old... I'm only 20! Maybe because I got raised with the old school consoles, music, and TV shows, I just feel older than I really am...
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 Sep 8 2007, 8:50 pm
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Flame Sage wrote:
Ter13 wrote: tetris is boringgggg a link to the past > original zelda doom... well the original doom was fun i guess lol | |
Meh... I dunno, she's only two and she's already got a Hello Kitty TV/DVD player in her room, and I'm building her a life-size doll house in the back yard when we move into the house I want to buy us...
I'm a good father, and I provide a LOT for my family, I just get so jealous of what I can give my kids that my parents couldn't give me... =/ Maybe the second quest was a little extreme, but still... | |
Hey man, good for you! It is great that you are such an avid gamer that you want to introduce the beginnings of gaming to your children. The new generation of gamers these days are spoiled kids who think every single damn game has to have multi-player and realistic graphics.
The past is a great place to find games and should be remembered. Some of the best, most classic games spawned from the 8bit era (And earlier!) I don't think you are the only one who misses the old school stuff. Nothing is the same, not TV, not video games, music or movies. I am only 22 years old. | |
A education on the first games and through is still a good idea. Introduce her to Super Mario Brothers, Legend of Zelda and of course Tetris and Kirby's Adventure.
I feel part of being a "good gamer", is having an open mind about games, styles and the industry. Most games should try to experience "retro" gaming. | |
Yeah, exactly. I don't know why, but old school games have always been more interesting to me than new ones.
I love the classic feel. I still play MUDs, I still play the original Ultimas, the classic Final Fantasy games always beat out the new ones (Except for FF7, that was an exception). Dragon Warrior still rules, Pokemon is great for road trips... I mean, I just can't get over the past when it comes to gaming. Hell, BYOND itself encourages new developers to work within limits, and create amazing retro-looking games with new gameplay. Maybe I'm just old fashioned in a lot more respects than just gaming, but I think the advance in technology has actually stifled creativity in a lot of respects. Game developers get more involved in explaining their creations by saying things like "bump mapping, Bloom lighting, HDR, collision enhanced particle engines, millions of polys, and high-resolution textures" than things like: "Immersive gameplay, advanced AI, deep worlds, involving story, intuitive gameplay", etc. It's getting really old. I'm a simple gamer. I want playability, not eye candy. Yeah, sure, you can only do so much with a First Person Shooter, or a fighter, but if you focus too much on the graphics, and put together a game with no depth, no story, and bad controls... Well, It's still a crap game... A pretty crap game, but still a crap game. There are a few exceptions to the list, though. Upcoming games like Spore, and recent releases like Command and Conquer 3, and Supreme Commander have done well in both areas. Though, Bethesda Softworks has recently done the opposite. They have tarnished gems like Arena, Daggerfall, and Morrowind with their "improvements" in Oblivion. Rather than improving gameplay and the already immersive style of the Elder Scrolls series, they backtracked, by trying to make the game more like Fable. Hell, even Fable is a great example. The promises made by the team were unbelievably inspiring, an involved world that grows with you, and amazing ability to change the world around you with your actions, even going so far as to make you able to burn down buildings. But still, like many games, it just turned into yet another "Beat-'em-up because they are evil" game. Thumbs down to you, Bethesda, and to you, Lion's Head studios. You too, Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft. To BYOND, though, all I have to say is: go you. | |
Man, I'm only 15 and I feel the same way. I grew up with the snes and genesis. I partied with doom and Warcraft 1 and 2. My little sister(who lives half way across the country... long story) wont even look at my Gameboy-Color. The tv shows back in the 90's were the bomb. All the crap they have on now is horrible. Maybe I was just young then but hey. The music now is horrible too! Emo, country and rap is not a good selection of music. I mean my god, my collection of music is mostly from the 80's and 90's. I wouldn't be caught dead at a concert with a band who came out in the 2000's. But I've seen ZZTop, Motley Crue, Journey, Def Leppard(Twice), Foreigner, and Styx. Anyways, back on topic. I'm not saying I grew up with tetris or galaga but its still pretty insane for me. Hell I grew up with Mortal Kombat and Super Mario Allstars. Megaman(The whole first series in general), Warioland(Two and Three), Brainlord(Bad ASS enix game), Super Adventure Island(Both of them), and Heddie(Extremely Awesome Genesis game) were my gaming diet. Now the games are so insane and caught up in themselves that they lose their luster and that charm.
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Yeah, I had a genesis too, I forgot to mention... I sold it so I could buy the wireless NES controllers...
I did love me some Sonic the Hedgehog in my time, though. That and The Lost Vikings was great. =/ I remember there was a great Mechwarrior game back in the day too... Though, I think music's actually improved a lot recently. ZZTop is still always good (Saw them live a few years back, they are still rocking hard). I can't say I care for Motley Crue, Journey, or Foreigner, but I can say I HATE Def Leppard and Styx with a passion. Now, Type O Negative, the 69 Eyes, Megadeth, Ozzy/Black Sabbath, The Beatles(Late Beatles, and John's late solo work), Metallica (older rather than newer), Lacuna Coil, Nightwish, the Gathering, White Zombie, and Johnny Cash (later years, after he went dark) are all examples of my kind of old-school music. I do like a lot of modern music, though, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Orgy, Adema, Bush, 3 Doors Down, Staind, Linkin Park, CKY, Tool, A Perfect Circle, NIN, System of A Down, Rob Zombie, and so many others. I mean, music's probably better than it used to be. Rock is far from dead. I'm also impressed with the Hip Hop and rap scene in recent years. I've gone to a few Juggalo gatherings in the local area, and the underground rappers are 10x better than the (c)rap on the airwaves. You can't even call these guys rappers, they are freaking poets. I dunno, I miss old TV too. Sitcoms blow, Reality TV is RETARDED, and the only good shows on these days are on Showtime, like Weeds, or Dead Like Me. I mean, I used to love watching shows like Nick Arcade, and Legends of the Hidden Temple, Voltron, Transformers, Beast Wars, Peewee's Playhouse, Gargoyles, Reboot, and other junk like that. Now even saturday morning cartoons have been invaded by wanna-be japanimation with no plot other than: "Hey! Let's get the bad guys!", and characters that don't do anything other than talk incessantly about how they want to be a ninja. How the hell do you make a show about Beyblade? Hey, young America, newsflash: You aren't Japanese, so take the tape off the corner of your eyes, wash off the kanji sharpie tattoos (they don't mean what you think they do, most likely), and drop the pocky and eat a freaking ice cream sandwich. I mean, sushi is great and all, but you shaping your life around a country with origami buildings is completely retarded. You're American, trust me, southeast Asians may act like they love us when we are around, but until you have actually been to their countries, and heard the crap they say about us when they think we don't speak their language... Yeah, let's just say you'd be really surprised. Korean, Japanese, Thai, Philipino, Vietnamese, Laotian and Chinese people generally hate Americans. Mimicking their culture only insults them and makes them hate you more. (I'm not racist, I have just been having bad experiences with Southeast Asian natives these past two years... I thought it was just Koreans, but it's almost all the countries down there. Korea and Japan are the worst though. They fear and distrust foreigners. They say dirty things about you in their native language thinking you don't understand it... Well I speak Korean, so trust me, I hear the racist, ignorant crap they say about us. It's not all of them, but it's a lot more prevalent than just some of them. It's more than a lot of them, it's closer to many of them.. I'd put it at about a square 35-40%.) Whoah... that got ranty... =/ | |
Ter13 wrote:
...Metallica (older rather than newer)... I'd say everything before Saint Anger was awesome. The newer stuff really shows how Kirk has progressed from modal shredding nonsense to more melodic note choices. Hey, young America, newsflash: You aren't Japanese, so take the tape off the corner of your eyes, wash off the kanji sharpie tattoos (they don't mean what you think they do, most likely), and drop the pocky and eat a freaking ice cream sandwich. I mean, sushi is great and all, but you shaping your life around a country with origami buildings is completely retarded. You're American, trust me, southeast Asians may act like they love us when we are around, but until you have actually been to their countries, and heard the crap they say about us when they think we don't speak their language... Yeah, let's just say you'd be really surprised. Korean, Japanese, Thai, Philipino, Vietnamese, Laotian and Chinese people generally hate Americans. Mimicking their culture only insults them and makes them hate you more. This is kind of taking it overboard. There are very few people out there who are going, "Hey cool, I want to be Asian!". They simply like shows and food that happens to come from Japan, China, or whatever they are into. Stupid Asian people! Stop driving Fords, eating hamburgers and hotdogs, and enjoying watching CSI! You're not American! Sounds a bit more silly when it's turned around, doesn't it? :P | |
Yeah, it got real ranty in there. I've just had a few experiences with people that take it way overboard, dunno... Didn't intend for that to come out like that.
Like I tried to say, not a problem if you like the food. I like me some Unagi, maybe some Ika, Tempura, and the occasional Sake Bomb, but I'm not taking issue with those people. I'm taking issue with the fact that American companies are outsourcing their animation to Korea and Japan in order to "fake" a foreign feel to their shows. I'm taking issue with the people that get Kanji tattoos without having any idea what the characters actually mean, and the fact that you can't fully understand what pictographs mean out of context. My wife for instance, got two characters tattooed on her neck. Mei, or Beautiful, and another character I don't recognize that was supposed to mean Sacrifice, which upon examination by a native, turned out to mean Sacrifice... Except, in a literal sense. It's ONLY used in the context of an animal sacrifice... I dunno, I just don't like the way eastern culture is being used to generate profits. It seems almost disrespectful what a lot of companies have done to branch out to this market. The same with Asians. I think it's disgusting to see people walking around with shirts that have inaccurate Kanji/Hanja on, and with terrible English on them. You know I once saw an Uncle Sam action figure in a bargain bin at Lotte Dept. Store in Seoul? You know what was funny about it? The package actually said Uncle Sam, but the toy was Col. Sanders. Someone else actually posted a picture of it somewhere a while back... I might have to check Engrish to see if it there. | |
You've got the right ideas there. 14 years old right now and I play Punchout most of the time. You need to find a real gem of the sort of thing she would like.
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She's two. She doesn't know what she likes... Except for chicken nuggets... She loves her some chickies...
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Ter13 wrote:
She's two. She doesn't know what she likes... Except for chicken nuggets... She loves her some chickies... Hmm... I meant later on. But still.. maybe you could try get someone to hack a Burger Time ROM or something. | |
Ter13 wrote:
I did love me some Sonic the Hedgehog in my time I loved me some of that too. Now, Type O Negative, the 69 Eyes, Megadeth, Ozzy/Black Sabbath, The Beatles(Late Beatles, and John's late solo work), Metallica (older rather than newer), Lacuna Coil, Nightwish, the Gathering, White Zombie, and Johnny Cash (later years, after he went dark) are all examples of my kind of old-school music. Huzzah. How the hell do you make a show about Beyblade? The same with any other show. Popular thing? Lets screw with all the kids! I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Big Brother cartoon sometime. | |
Falacy wrote:
Flame Sage wrote: Thats the kind of crap Ter wants to stop. Well, pretty much stop. Most of the modern games suck - WoW is boring. UT2003 took everything good that was good from UT1999 and used it to light their cigars. (UT2004 is better but it still doesn't match UT1999) My brother stopped playing Final Fantasy at about No. 10... Aaannd I prefer Tactical Ops to Tactical Ops: Crossfire. (Thats like saying I prefer CS to CS:S) | |
Nah, plenty of NES games were total junk as well. You said your daughter doesn't really know what she likes (aside from nuggets). That's where the rose-colored glasses comment comes from. Either that or you were really lucky to avoid some of the worse games. :P
For example, I've always been a fan of the Dragon Warrior series and have all 4 of the NES ones on cartridge, played 5 and 6 on an emulator and worked through 7 on a Playstation. Twice. I think I could easily sit down and play through some of Dragon Warrior 3 for a while (and to a lesser extent, 2) but the first one? I don't think I'd be able to take it. I've played more interesting Byond games, but when I was younger I really didn't know any better, since it was my only RPG for a while. Some really awful NES games I remember playing are... 1) The Simpsons - Bart VS The World: This one was a real steamer. The A button was both your running and jumping button, except if you were in the air. Then B made you move faster while airborne. Hit detection sucked. Bart handled like The Swamp Thing had lubed him up, and the music was grating enough to be a distraction (they didn't even get the theme song right!). You could tape yourself playing this game with 3 bottles of Vodka, a house full of smoked marijuana and needles embedded into your finger joints and someone watching would have no idea. Those drunken, giddy cries of pain would easily be written off due to being forced to play it in the first place. 2) Total Recall: This game was really...plain, which is surprising given how hard you'd have to work to make a game based off of an action movie pretty boring. I don't recall (hurr) any serious control issues, but there wasn't much to it in the first place. 3) Super Pitfall: This is the kind of game you'd find in a torture chamber, with the rotting body of a prisoner in a chair and the controller superglued to his palms. A platformer, the game was wildly successful at having an enormous, colorful map while simultaneously stripping all desire to explore it. In between the enemies (half of which aren't tall enough for you to shoot with your gun) that pop up out of nowhere, the leap-of-faith jumps that will either plunge you into spikes, lava, or a platform with a patrolling enemy, or the Sierra-like ability to randomly crush your head when the ceiling inexplicably falls down on you, you're going to have quite an adventure trying to find the invisible mid-air doorway that leads to the second half of the maze. 4) Mickey Mousecapades: Soul-crushingly difficult. You play as Micky (with Minnie about a foot behind you) as you try to make your way to Wonderland and take a photograph of you with Alice, I think. Another platformer, this one has the added bonus of instant death if MINNIE fails to make a jump along with you. While enemies don't hurt her, you need to make sure she can clear any pits with you unless you want to start over. Like I said before, she stands a foot behind you. She also jumps at the same time you do. Not even Evil Knievel could make these jumps. 5) Action 52: I wrote about this one before, and while not actually licensed by Nintendo (I think), this cartridge had all of the playability of 52 Byond games that never made it out of alpha testing. Boasting a price of $200, it was advertised as "Paying less than $4 per game!" Let's just say you get what you pay for. | |
Ter13 wrote:
I dunno, I just don't like the way eastern culture is being used to generate profits. It seems almost disrespectful what a lot of companies have done to branch out to this market. The same with Asians. I think it's disgusting to see people walking around with shirts that have inaccurate Kanji/Hanja on, and with terrible English on them. Heh, I've seen a lot of shirts in Japan that have bad English on it. It's really rather funny. It is pretty much the same thing has bad Kanji/Hanja, but in reverse. I think it really does work both ways. You have a lot of stuff over there with broken English on it, or imported American things. And, if I had to guess, I'd say it was probably the same target market, angsty teenaged kids. As for the original topic. The classics will never die. I have a 9 year old little brother. He has grown up with a PS2 control in his hands, but he has no problem playing some SNES or old arcade games. I've actually setup the family PC with about 2000 SNES roms and almost as many GameBoy Advanced roms. I can't imagine the types for games my child will play, but I'm sure there will be a lot of classics. Plus, Tetris will never die. It's immortal, and will probably outlast the human race. | |
Time for a new class in middle school, "Gaming History". And then the AP version, "Classical Gaming: The Highscore Adventures".
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I would hate you if I was your son. :)