Has anyone ever noticed how visiting the BYOND community somehow manages to suck every last ounce of motivation out of you? I mean, you can be thinking about great ideas for a project all night long, wake up in the morning thinking about them, daydream about them through a day of work, come up, get online, visit the community for a few minutes and when you're done, you have absolutely no desire to work on your project anymore.
I think this community is, perhaps, anti-motivational. I'm actually looking forward to my extended period of no internet approaching in the near future. Maybe I'll actually be able to build up some motivation while I'm not here.
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 Feb 29 2008, 8:18 pm
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It's probably because all your efforts are doomed to fail and you will never amount to anything.
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I'm guessing this is what always happens to me too =(.
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It happens to me almost every day. I think about the project all day, but when I finally come home, I can at most get as far as creating a folder and a .dme file before losing motivation.
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You're misdiagnosing the situation. Lack of motivation is a symptom from lack of incentive- namely, dosh.
Being British it chokes me to say this, but sometimes you can have *too much* communism. You'll find that the moment decent cash gets involved everyone suddenly finds all the motivation in the world. | |
Wait... "working on a project"?
I KNEW I forgot about something! ...Wonder what's in the Design Philosophy section... | |
If you're out of motivation, then I encourage you to try former-BYONDer Developous's new RPG which, as he told me himself, could be fun with just 5 members.
http://devssecretrpg.ipbfree.com/ Enjoy, and let me know how it is (I've never been a forum-RP or D&D-like game kind of guy). I look forward to seeing your motivation renew. :) Hiead | |
I agree, the people here on this forum are mean and unhelpful.
Please note that everyone who has been kind enough to answer my questions have been very professional and helpful - most of the time, they're even more helpful than I need! However, searching the forums for answers yields snooty comments. I realize that the answer matches the question, and perhaps I just pose my questions better than others, but I think the problem is that the BYOND framework draws a lot of young people. People serious about making games will get the Torque engine or something to that effect. Anyways - Young people are catty, simply put (coming from a 16 year old, mind you. I know myself and my generation well enough to know we're a bunch of assholes...) I don't have a conclusion or exhortation on how to fix this, but I agree with Hiead. | |
Joshua Daniel wrote:
I agree, the people here on this forum are mean and unhelpful. oh fooey, ive seen lummox and garthor answer all sorts of elementary questions that could be addressed calously by sending them to the DM guide. In my opinion the gurus here are immaculately patient and people should start realizing what a painfully difficult community BYOND has to deal with. | |
Masterdan wrote:
oh fooey, ive seen lummox and garthor answer all sorts of elementary questions that could be addressed calously by sending them to the DM guide. In my opinion the gurus here are immaculately patient and people should start realizing what a painfully difficult community BYOND has to deal with. I agree, lummox and garthor are extrememly helpful, as are those who have taken the time to deal with a wayward noob such as myself. None of this "motivational suckage" has happened to me yet - Everyone has been helpful. However, in searching around the forums, such helpfulness is seldom seen. I also agree with you about the difficult community. I recognize that people are rude, impatient, and ask stupid, elementary or undecipherable questions. It's a tough situation, and I cannot say "no matter how difficult people are, everyone should be as helpful as possible" because that's unfair and unrealistic. For now, with as small a community as this is, I recommend the top dogs working overtime to help noobs as much as possible. You won't get any users if noobs can't get a hold on the system, and you won't get any users capable of helping others if no users have a hold on the system. | |
Joshua Daniel wrote:
For now, with as small a community as this is, I recommend the top dogs working overtime to help noobs as much as possible. You won't get any users if noobs can't get a hold on the system, and you won't get any users capable of helping others if no users have a hold on the system. Most knowledgeable users are happy to help people who'll take the time to pose intelligent and serious questions - especially question requiring experience which any new user wouldn't likely know the answer to, even if they'd done the research. Its almost a relief to find people asking these kind of questions. But you have to realize, one can only stand answering so many "hey how do u make a saiyan go tukaewanaku when they get more then 5000000 kai oh and how do i set goku to ssj7 when he gets lvl 53?!?" before the exasperation sets in. | |
Unfortunately there are unknowledgeable members that are also willing to "help". They're incredibly frustrating, too; especially when they think they know what they're talking about and that their "advice" isn't hurtful.
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Popisfizzy wrote:
Unfortunately there are unknowledgeable members that are also willing to "help". They're incredibly frustrating, too; especially when they think they know what they're talking about and that their "advice" isn't hurtful. Haha, obvious reference to Superbike32. -- Anyway, my motivation comes and goes like the wind. Generally if I become unmotivated with BYOND, I'll move onto PHP until I get bored and return again. Constant cycle that normally ends up in nothing being done. The BYOND community does have a few motivational spikes though. For starters, the amount of games on BYOND. A large majority of them are crap made by inexperienced users who just want to be cool (I missed the memo which stated programming was suddenly a cool thing). The motivation is to make something which isn't done badly and is really fun. The down side is, when something like that is done, it gets used for a few weeks, then dies. There in lies the death of your motivation (A good example is LRS. Really, really fun game. Lots of players while game was in development. Now development phase has ended, it's near empty all the time, a real drag). I find the best method to keep motivation is to keep the development of your alpha-stage project with friends. I've been helping people test and they have returned the favour for about a week now, and it's been quite enjoyable. | |
Tom wrote:
Foomer wrote: BYOND Development has become a lot more fun now we can play with the interface. I love working on fun little interface tricks like moving the chat window to a separate window but keeping all the previous text. In the grand scheme of things, BYOND 4.0 is still very young. It'll take a while for games to surface which really take advantage of the new awesome power we have. | |
I'm envious. I hope you don't leave for too long though. You're in the minority as a user who does cool stuff with things we've put all of our time into (and your Gauntlet UI is amazing!)