Talking about Dragon Ball Finale.
If you don't already know its a role-playing game.
So anyway, a person role-played "raping" someone. So they petitioned me to "make it illegal to type rape RPs". I told them what people type has nothing to do with me. So they said I support rape. So since I refused to take part in it, all the hosts stopped hosting, and players are in an uproar saying to make it illegal. So then a few former admins said they are going to report me to byond or whatever saying my game contains rape or whatever, and they twisted my words far out of proportion saying that "i support rape and pedophilia". Its a huge drama factory.
I told them what people type has nothing to do with me, and Im not monitoring it or limiting it in any way. I told them if they dont like it, then kill the offender ingame or something.
By their logic, I can go into any game, and say I am raping another character, and it somehow becomes the owner's fault. Thus they should be reported and so forth and byond banned.
Responses? I'd like to hear from some authority.
I'm an inch away from erasing the game/hub/everything. And using the Bans.txt hosted on my key to prevent hosting of the game any further, since the game checks it. It would get all this drama away from me once and for all
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 Jul 17 2008, 10:23 am
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Jul 17 2008, 11:16 am
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Superman12
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Your game, your drama, your choice.
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Of course you are not at fault. But, this kind of crap happens commonly in the world's society, and not surprisingly in BYOND's community as well. Lots of people are quite stupid, and some are too stupid (or too stupid or maybe lazy/other to bother to) to think out of the box and devise their own, founded opinion, and just believe and follow what others, sometimes rather blindly. You then get the 'herd effect'. Additionally, people also generally tend to accuse and "convict" people without enough evidence or reasons.
If it already got this bad I suppose you likely can't do a whole lot to change their mind, though I don't really know about that. "My game's community is making me extremely mad". Then what do you do with things that make you mad? Either get rid of them, or live with them, right? To get rid of this, you could either make a rule that any repeat whiners about this will be banned (or yes, outright eliminate/restrict your game, but...) or something. Or you could follow the proverb of "if you can't beat them, join em" and just satisfy them by writing up that stuff up they request as an "official rule", just so the idiots shut up. | |
Well..Honestly, I feel that both parties are at fault. I've seen Finale before, it's a wonderful game by the way. You intend to make mating because well..we all reproduce right? But typing out an extended rape roleplay is a little off the top. A majority of BYOND's participants are minors, and I guess they have a point to be scared of change. They're scared, and they don't want you nor the game to be taken down.
Perhaps you should have an extended talk with them. Perhaps this will settle the entire dispute. Talk to the most reasonable ones like, damnit I need to remember the names... Should be on the forums. Oh yes, Goton, Kyo, and whats her name.. Amelie. Your admins, the people you've trusted the most. And the ones that are a little bit harder to talk to will follow. | |
Guest321 wrote:
Well..Honestly, I feel that both parties are at fault. I only know as much as he posted in this topic, but this seems to definitely not be the case here. Regardless of what he may do or try, there is always the possibility of players doing unwanted or inappropriate things in his game, especially through text, which is hard to filter (satisfactorily). It can be enforced, but it can't be prevented. At any case, what people do through a medium is not the fault of the medium's maker. So if people spontaneously decide to rape (or "rape", more appropriately) people through your game, it is not your fault and responsibility that they decided to do so. Likewise, if you took someone's gun (or even just bought one) and murdered someone with it, it is not automatically the original owner/creator's fault and responsibility, but yours. It is not that Dragonn supports or encourages what the players do. They do it on their own whim. | |
On the other hand, if someone gets hurt while on your property, YOU are the one who's responsible for it, and the same principle might be considered true for online games.
For example, if you're the owner of an apartment complex, and an elderly woman walking on the sidewalk trips on a crack in the sidewalk that has become large enough to be a tripping hazard. You as the complex owner are thereafter under obligation to fix the problem so that no one else gets hurt by it. If someone gets hurt, and you don't fix the problem, and someone gets hurt again, then it becomes YOUR fault, because you knew it was a hazard and didn't do anything about it. So basically, if you're aware that someone is creating trouble in YOUR game, and you don't take any measures to do anything about it, then it could theoretically be as if you're condoning it. In other words, by not making a rule that says RPing rape is not allowed and/or doing something to prevent it, or prevent people who would be offended by it from playing, then you're saying that its okay. | |
Most anime games have crappy communities in general. My game's community usually pisses me off. That's why I never log on anymore and have other people handle everything :P
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Foomer wrote:
On the other hand, if someone gets hurt while on your property, YOU are the one who's responsible for it, and the same principle might be considered true for online games. Uh, no. That depends. For example, if you're the owner of an apartment complex, and an elderly woman walking on the sidewalk trips on a crack in the sidewalk that has become large enough to be a tripping hazard. That's entirely different and isn't suitable to compare. A matter more suitable would be like this: You're walking through someone's property. Then, another guy who also happens to be walking in the same property (but is unrelated to the owner) rapes you. Then, you go and sue the property owner, because he didn't put a sign that says "no raping allowed in this property". Smooth indeed. So basically, if you're aware that someone is creating trouble in YOUR game, and you don't take any measures to do anything about it, then it could theoretically be as if you're condoning it. Not at all. Disagreeing with something isn't equal to doing something about it. Also, it might be impossible to really do something about it, as is the case here - you can't prevent players from writing inappropriate things in your Say verb, etc. You can only attempt to enforce it (which will probably not be very fruitful with the kind of people that do this in the first place), but you can't prevent it even if you want to. In other words, by not making a rule that says RPing rape is not allowed and/or doing something to prevent it, or prevent people who would be offended by it from playing, then you're saying that its okay. Nah. If that was the case, I'd suppose you could sue just about anyone with that kind of reasoning. Besides, I'd assume he definitely has some general catch-all rule already in place (ie: "Pulling crap in the game is not allowed, including but not limited to profanity, X, Y, and Z") that would technically cover this. Well, if not, then he needs one. <_< | |
Dragonn wrote:
Making byond games is not a "business". If someone doesn't like your game, they need to screw off. Well there you go there is your answer. | |
Dragonn wrote:
Making byond games is not a "business". If someone doesn't like your game, they need to screw off. Tens? Dragonn? Is that you? I sent you that thirty dollars you wanted for the three packages...But I never got them. I heard people sayin that you get it a few days or weeks later with mastered fly and zanzoken and double pl and assess icon change and all that good stuff but I still havent gotten mines. Please code me in. I bought all three packages, and I sent it to your paypal, so just check pay pal, please and thank you. | |
The only problem with this post is that you originally advocated this rape and pedophilia for the sake of freedom in your game, Dragonn. That is the source of it. After this dramabomb, as you said, occured, you changed your tune, and deleted all the logs of your saying otherwise. Then, it was revealed you have an illegal backdoor into host's computers, which is, I'm fairly certain, against BYOND policy.
That is the source of the drama. Not what someone independently decided to do on your game. | |
Interestingly enough, I have the logs of him advocating the ability to rape someone else without any sort of player consent. It's a good read. Though i'm unsure of the etiquette of posting it on the Byond forums.
Also, I understand the mechanics behind the backdoor, now, too. Sneaky stuff. | |
Tens, you not only condoned the whole raping/cybering thing, you openly supported it. You've also made little icon humping to show that your stupid things are having sex.
You ALSO have an illegal backdoor. Keep twisting things, genius, I'm sure it'll turn out alright. | |
Stuff like that doesn't go on the forums, but you can always post it to your BYOND blog. (Even non-members can make posts on their blogs.)
Bear in mind that if the log is copied verbatim and contains any swearing (which is pretty darned likely from a DBZ game ;-)) it won't appear on the front page. | |
The log is actually a set of Byond messaging logs, between Tens and I. I'm one of his former hosts. I shut my server down when he insisted that I update to the new update with the "mate" verb, after he used another verb, called "Ruin All", which deletes the host files, and shuts the server down, on Alares' server when he refused to update. In the logs, I was trying to convince him that allowing rape, especially unconsented rape, IC, is a bad idea. Since then, he's backpedalled a little bit due to the fallout of his decision, and has added a confirmation box in for when you use the verb, which really doesn't help, when you get down to it.
Edit: Also, at one point, yes, there was cussing in it. I got pretty frustrated at one point. Edit 2: And I posted them. This will probably the only time I ever use that particular aspect of Byond. | |
I'm going to go ahead and close this thread. Discussion on matters such as these is best left to your blogs, and chances are it won't be allowed on the front page even there. The simple fact is, it's your game, do what you want, we can't control it. As long as the hub page for the game isn't breaking any of our rules (Which basically includes things like adult material, games solely based on adult situations and things of that nature.) there's not a single thing to be done.
We only really control the hub, anything outside of that is beyond our control. People are free to make ANY type of game they wish -- if that game can have a hub page while still following the rules, then it's allowed to have one. Otherwise the game won't be allowed a hub entry and it won't receive the benefits that come with having one. But you're totally free to make whatever sick and twisted crap you want to, just as long as you don't try to use the hub (or anything on the site, or the pager) to advertise it. | |
