Don't make me get the belt...

lol i bet if the anime section got erased 1 of 2 things would happen 1. all the anime games would move to action/rpg under sum fake name and some altered crap (like the fail coverup dbz game Final Resurrection: Redemption) or byond would probly die due to the lack of donations and income from not having any interest in the few scarce games worth playing left over

apparently enough to be spending cash on the edits in NFF and buying packages on dragon universe

Mastergamerxxx wrote:

i love how people on here do nothing but rip my head off over 4 icons love it yet im asking for help to improve my own icon and im geting crucified here great way to make people who need help to get sum where in skill improve.

Then remove the ripped artwork. Problem solved.

I wanted help but I guess the community of elitist artist's [...]

They're not being elitists, they're just against others using ripped artwork. Nobody likes to have their artwork stolen. Even if several people are doing it, we don't come to acknowledge it as acceptable behavior.

[...] seem to think cause im using 4 lil icons constitutes me as worst person ever and i should go kill myself [...]

I don't think anyone has asked you to kill yourself. If that's how you feel, however, you should probably see my response to the first quote I addressed in this comment.

[...] i guess this is why byond doesn't get anywhere with good anime games nowadays and is filled with rips is because anyone who tries to get help ends up with their topic derailed [...]

Yeah... no. That's not why it happens. There are no good anime games because the majority ( not all, but most ) of the developers who actually know how to program and make artwork want to work on something worth making.

Rips are made because someone doesn't like the jutsu in rip [x], or prefers not having to follow rule #3 in rip [y]. It doesn't help that you can google "Naruto Source", download whichever source tickles your fancy, and then you have instant GM ( provided you ask for help on Developer Help ).

[...] and mods look the other way and the player base just ignores the help requested and just tears into them about how horrible a person is

We moderate posts regardless of whether it's about ripping or not ( a user already had their comment deleted ). It's not that we look the other way, it's more like we don't encouraging rips/ripping.

As for how horrible you are, that's a matter of perspective. To be fair, though, I can only imagine people look down on those who steal and then think it's okay because others do it.

You are partly right about what would happen if we got rid of fangames, but you miss the number of fangame-users vs. non-fangame users. Donations from non-fangame to fangame users are heavily stilted, once you factor in how many non-fangame users we have playing games on this site.

The non-fangame community, with donations alone, does more for this community than the fangame community when adjusted by rate of donation/membership.



Since this has turned into a meta-discussion on what benefits BYOND the most, I would like to actually chip in here.

BYOND is not overly benefited by the fangame community. Largely, it's because of the fangame community that we survive, and it's also because of the fangame community we can't get away from the fangame community.

Without them, we fall, but with them, we stagnate. Thing is, the majority of donations may come from people who play/favorite fangames. But the people who play exclusively fangames are a MUCH LARGER sample of the community than those who do not.

Simply put, if you look at the numbers, those who stay in RPG/Action/Strategy/Casual? They have a higher rate of donation than those who do not. SS13, despite being about 20% of our community, easily foot 40% of our bills. Silk's games handle way more than their fair share too, and the rest of the big donations come from community regulars, who rarely even play games.

Secondly, fangames accepting money for edits/packages, etc. Is quite illegal. So that's another issue. It puts BYOND in a bit of a prickly situation whenever C&D letters get sent out, because you guys don't get them first. Tom does.

Top it off with the fact that the culture of theft and immaturity, as well as the horrible state of the majority of the anime games (Design quality, cohesiveness of elements, game theory, etc.) actually makes developers take BYOND much less seriously. Nobody even bothers because the deployment platform is limited to the site, pretty much, and advertising that your game was made with BYOND results in people laughing about the engine that all those "awful naruto/DBZ games are made with".

Anime fangames games have an advantage over original content, which is that they have an existing fanbase to capitalize on. Original games have to work harder to prove they are worthwhile, so the large portion of the community's bills that the anime community DOES pay, are that much less impressive, because quite simply: You guys don't even have to try.

If you guys' games were made using OC, they'd have no players whatsoever due to having no standard of quality whatsoever. We'd be worse off, that's for sure, but we'd also have a much clearer road toward getting the community back in shape for some actual growth.

Let me make this clear: I don't care about fangames. I don't care about anime. I could care less that your game isn't original.

What I'm chiding you for, and quite politely, I might add, is your horrible attitude toward copyright infringement. Had you not responded with "because I can", or "everybody else does it.", we would have warned you: If you are using someone else's work, at least state clearly that you are doing so, and offer some kind of attribution. It's still wrong, but man... At least you are being honest about it.

And as for the mods doing nothing: I'm the one who deleted the post that was made that went too far, and was actually verbally assaulting you. I'm the one who edited your post to tone down the language.

I've been quite respectful about all of this, but the fact is: I, as a user, do not condone copyright infringement, especially when the person who does so, does so with absolutely no remorse, and has nothing but hostility to offer to those who call you out on it.

This is a community of artists and programmers who work hard on their stuff, and you wonder why we are bothered by your theiving of other peoples' work?

I'm sorry you feel wronged here, but you have no justification to feel wronged at all. You should feel ashamed rather than offended after being called out. Just throwing a tantrum and calling us hypocrites is not going to make it better. It'll make it worse.


BTW: Everyone in this thread that is calling you out has never released work using stolen graphics, music, or sound, that I've seen. So we don't qualify as hypocrites for that reason. We are not representative of the community either. Branks' work alone, however, stands out from the community as a whole, and sets him apart from the run-of-the-mill anime games around here.

I genuinely hope that you don't think I'm an elitist, when I, as an artist, am offended by theft of art assets. No matter how small, or common.

http://www.idrawdigital.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ prop_male.gif

First thing you need to work on is the anatomy. You need to decide on a perspective. Whether it's top-down, 3/4ths etc. You look like you're going for a 3/4ths perspective so googling to see what that is and reading into it first would be a good place to start. Work on his anatomy and then re-post what you have.

You my dear friend, win the award for most "longest comment"!

Every time we end up on a topic, you have at least 4 paragraphs lol.

<3

Candle_Jack_9000 wrote:

I assume by 3/4ths view you mean isometric.

3/4s view and isometric are not the same.

3/4s refers to the very common square-grid view persspective where the "camera" is raised off of the ground, so you see both the front and top of most objects. See; virtually every 2D Zelda game, and virtually every "normal" BYOND game.

i made this base icon aswell but only prob i had was i couldn't do a side view every attempt it looked horrible http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z303/mastergamerx/ baseiconz.png i also made these other alternative races
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z303/mastergamerx/ races.jpg

Tip has been remove due to you ripping no help for you
EDIT: btw you wont make it far if you just steal its ok to look and take inspiration from their styles but don't steal it