UmbrousSoul wrote:

Foomer said it in this post.

Foomer:

So assuming I only dedicated 18-24 hours a week to working on a game, I'd be happy making around $150-200 each week to work on it.

I won't bother replying to the other posts, because the people who responded didn't read this entire thread.

I don't think you did either. That response was not a request for payment, it was an answer to a question: if someone wanted to contract me to build a game for them, how much would it cost? If I'm going to be contracted to do work for someone else, I expect payment. That's how contracting works. Realistically, I have to support myself. I have to spend my time working. If I'm going to spend time doing someone else's work, then I need to be compensated. If you don't like it, you can spend the next nine years familiarizing yourself with what I know and do it yourself.

Realistically, if someone wanted to contract someone to build a game, they'd need to pay them. Therefore, they'd need to make a game with the intention of it making money somewhere along the line. Its not impossible, either. There are at least a few games on BYOND that have earned their owners several thousand dollars, mostly through in-game perks. That's why all those really fancy games that people get paid to work on end up costing people money to play.

However, most programmers who frequent BYOND aren't interested in being "contracted", they're just interested in building games as a hobby. Therefore your reasoning doesn't apply here.

There are still those people on Classified Ads who insist that they'll do it if you pay them. That's fine in the case of hosts who have to pay to maintain a service and expect enough to compensate them for that, but most people who say that don't really want to help in the first place.

Sariat wrote:

Foomer wrote:

Realistically, if someone wanted to contract someone to build a game, they'd need to pay them. Therefore, they'd need to make a game with the intention of it making money somewhere along the line. Its not impossible, either. There are at least a few games on BYOND that have earned their owners several thousand dollars, mostly through in-game perks. That's why all those really fancy games that people get paid to work on end up costing people money to play.

Several thousand? Really? Which ones... I don't seem to remember any BYOND game doing that!

proelium and seika are the two main examples

i'm pretty sure both of them have made over 1 grand at the very least

UmbrousSoul wrote:

So assuming I only dedicated 18-24 hours a week to working on a game, I'd be happy making around $150-200 each week to work on it.

Well, this being a hypothetical scenario, I thought we/you were talking on actual real offers on BYOND.


UmbrousSoul wrote:

Drop you a line on the pager? What for.

You said that you suffered problems during creating a game and nobody willing to help, so I was offering to help you on the problem, or help you on getting help.

I know isometric maps (done via specially made icons and about 2 lines of code according to Lummox) and custom tile size (game wide, so no mixing separate tile sizes) are included, so you probably won't have to hold back on development if you really want to utilize those.

It makes sense, I didn't mean to go after your post so vigorously I was just using it as an example. Simply stating that thats 200$ a week that the majority audience just doesn't have/doesn't make.

I've thought about several games that byond lacks but I just don't have the resources to make three projects at one time. I was thinking of some kind of RTS or Area Defense game kind of like towers but with corners.

Foomer wrote:

Schnitzelnagler wrote:

May I ask how? Where do you grab them?

http://www.byond.com/members/PixelArt

Been there. Tried that.
I'd guess my problem is, that I can't afford the better artists and those that post around Developers Classified Ads barely ever reply on the pager.

I dunno, you see companies pay $20,000+ comfortably for a new logo design. The pay just scales to the experience and skill of the people doing the job. I never really buy the concept of ripoff, either the market pays it, or it doesn't. I'd probably pay Amon R that for a 512x512 piece, if I had something particular in mind.

University of Southampton paid $318,760 for their site http://www.soton.ac.uk of which I'd guess $40,000 was for that logo.

That's because you're paying for consultancy, mostly. You want a logo eh? What image do you want to convey? Let's look at some color charts and I'll tell you what subconcious feelings they invoke, let's combine them and experiment with styles. You're paying to avoid this: http://www.ogc.gov.uk/assets/images_structure/logo_new.gif (Turn it on it's side)