People who play my game complain constantly that they can't find the hub through byond.com, and my player count is suffering from this too.
Why doesn't it appear?
When I look for it I go to byond.com>Games>All Games>Sort by #Players. I go through every page and it's not there. Ever.
Why is that? Is my game 'banned' or something?
Searching for my key or the game's title also has no results.
I'm told my game might not be published, whatever that means, how do I publish it? I didn't used to have to publish anything to get my games to appear.
The game is Z Fighters Reborn
ID:132489
 Sep 22 2010, 2:08 am (Edited on Sep 22 2010, 2:18 am)
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Sep 22 2010, 2:53 am
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Schnitzelnagler
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A forum search for the word 'published' returns some decent information. [link] and [link]
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Some Byond Staff really should read this.
Ok I'm trying to get my game published so people can find it on byond.com. I'm trying to take active steps to get my game published but I'm blocked at every turn. I'm told my game needs to be in at least 1 guild before it will appear in any search results or categorical listings. My game doesn't even appear under Games>All I looked up a bunch of minor guilds and found that on their sites there is no way to contact them, and no way to submit my game. So basically I have to rely on blind luck, hoping they'll notice my game (Which doesn't even appear in search results so there is no chance of that happening) and approve it. The odds of this are oh........0.1% perhaps? The main guild I want in is Byond Anime, so I go there, and find out that I can't post in their Submissions section without purchasing a Byond Membership. Do you really think I'm going to buy a membership just for the very, VERY slim chance that Byond Anime will accept my game? Because they won't. They only have 21 games total in Byond Anime. Meaning they deny 95% of games. You think I want to pay money for those odds? This system needs sorted out. It's killing byond and preventing any new games from succeeding. Nobody can even FIND my game. My game should at least appear under Games>All, punishing new games by hiding them by default is just bad. This guilty until proven innocent thing will be the downfall of this place. | |
You don't have to be a BYOND member to get your game submitted, you just have to be one to submit it yourself. If you know a member they can submit it, if the game is of good quality then it will be accepted. It's also possible for a staff member of a guild to approve the game without it being submitted.
The reason I think the system works like this is that advertisement should be earned, you're free to advertise your game yourself in the meantime. | |
Is your game a Rip? It seems to take like 20 minutes to download resources, so I didn't feel like checking...
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OrangeWeapons wrote:
Is your game a Rip? It seems to take like 20 minutes to download resources, so I didn't feel like checking... No my game is not a rip. Games already in Byond Anime are actually rips of my original source, for instance: Dragon Ball Generations, DB Encore, and DB Phoenix. All of those are based on the Finale source, which I made. And the game I am trying to get submitted is a 'sequel' to that source. Basically an overhaul, and I made it into a seperate game to break away from all the conceptions and negativity of its previous incarnations. I repeat: DB Encore/Phoenix/Generations are rips of MY game. Not the other way around. And if my game isn't accepted there is some kind of double standard, since mine is the original. If any games have to be rejected it should be them, and have my game replace them. But I would prefer all the games just coexist. | |
Nadrew wrote:
You don't have to be a BYOND member to get your game submitted, you just have to be one to submit it yourself. If you know a member they can submit it, if the game is of good quality then it will be accepted. It's also possible for a staff member of a guild to approve the game without it being submitted. By that logic I've already done my part to help Byond. I've made games which draw hundreds of new players to this site (Dragon Ball Finale, DB Phoenix, DB Encore, DB Generations, DBRP. All originated from me and get 100s of players. I made Finale, Phoenix, and DBRP with my own two hands, the others are versions I sold). I think due to the success of my past games my new game could get a little bit of instant credibility and at least be listed in the 'All Games' section. DB Finale: Made by me and I still own it. DB Phoenix: A version of Finale which I made on a seperate hub to bypass a lot of permanent problems associated with the original. Recently gave it to someone else who now manages it. DB Encore: An old version of the Finale source which I sold to the guy who owns it now. DB Generations: Same story as DB Encore. DBRP: One of my original games made completely by me then given to a friend who now manages it. Now this new game (Z Fighters Reborn) is the latest and best, more updated than all the rest. The only game I still actively manage and update. | |
Aegon wrote:
No my game is not a rip. Games already in Byond Anime are actually rips of my original source, for instance: Dragon Ball Generations, DB Encore, and DB Phoenix. Even if that was true, meaning you're Dragonn on yet another key, trying to submit yet another rip of a rip of a rip, well... that doesn't make your game any less of a rip. Finale was a zeta rip to begin with, and now you're attempting to submit it as yet another game. Also, I'm pretty sure none of those games are listed in BYOND anime, Phoenix was here not too long ago whining about just that. | |
Falacy wrote:
Aegon wrote: Falacy you've always claimed Finale is a 'zeta rip' but your extremely ignorant. You've never seen the source, the code and structure could not be more different. You have nothing to back up your claims. Your also the owner of a competing DBZ game and it's likely your just trying to sabotage me. Everyone knows you don't like me and have a personal vendetta on here. You've done nothing but try to ruin my reputation ever since I met you. And I agree with the original poster of the link you (Falacy) posted in the above post. Everyone in Byond Anime has a personal grudge against me. And your one of them. Also Falacy, your one to talk, Mr "I use icons ripped from Legacy of Goku". Yet your still listed in Byond Anime when your game isn't even as popular as mine. Hypocrisy. | |
@ Falacy :
The Finale source was made using Dragonball RP by Super Saiyan X, to be quite honest. Now, you can debate whether Dragonball RP is a zeta rip, thus leading to an indirect rip of a rip. Either way, the whole core -- Finale, PVP, Generations, Pheonix -- all use a ripped source. @ OP : Also, this discussion has been said many times and directly to you, Dragonn -- assuming you are Dragonn because you say you own the source. EDIT : They might just maybe possibly have a grudge against you for using oh... I don't know, something that is against BYOND Anime requirements yet you constantly try to nag them into getting it added in their guild? Makes logical sense. | |
Maximus_Alex2003 wrote:
@ Falacy : Maximus you are COMPLETELY wrong. DBRP came AFTER Finale. I should know, I made both of them. And their sources are 95% unrelated to each other. I gave the DBRP source to Super Saiyan X because I was tired of managing it. It'd be harder to convert Zeta to DBRP than to just make DBRP from scratch. Your argument is absurd. "Finale, PVP, Generations, Pheonix -- all use a ripped source." Wrong. A rip implies it was made without permission. All those games have my permission to be using the Finale source, which is the originator of all the other games, and is not a 'Zeta rip' which is so ignorantly implied. Obviously being that I MADE THE FREAKING GAME I should know better than you do. Actually use something to back up what your saying and maybe you would at least have a little credibility. Until I shoot down everything you say in the following post. | |
Aegon wrote:
Also Falacy, your one to talk, Mr "I use icons ripped from Legacy of Goku". Yet your still listed in Byond Anime when your game isn't even as popular as mine. Hypocrisy. HU isn't listed in BYOND anime. None of the games you've claimed so are listed there. Have you even looked before making these ridiculous claims? And HU has been the most played game on BYOND for years, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. That's pretty much the entire reason I have a "grudge" against you. I don't run around claiming I made all the HU graphics from scratch with my bare hands, I can't understand why you do so. Especially since anyone who has touched zeta can see the blatant similarities, the further back you go, the more of a rip Finale was. A rip implies it was made without permission. Fine, we'll just call them "clones" then, doesn't make them any more favorable to spam up the guilds/hub. | |
Falacy wrote:
Aegon wrote: Arguing with you is like talking to a rock. Your stubborn and ignorant at the same time. And it's important that I point out you haven't provided evidence for any of your slander. There are no similarities to Zeta. It's as different from Zeta as HU is different from Zeta. I never said I made all the graphics for Finale (and it's "clones") but my icons are more original than yours. 85% of my icons are original. 90% of the turfs are original. 70% of all available player icons are original, the most noticeable un-original icon is the "Human" icon. I could list more. But how is that any worse than you using LoG character icons? All in all my icons are more original than yours. I've had many of my byond friends make 100s of the icons my games use. However Finale isn't the issue, I'm trying to get 'Z Fighters Reborn' submitted and if you try to claim that has anything to do with Zeta, your clearly trolling. There are even NWOTS (I think that's the abbreviation, I forget what it actually stands for) rips in Byond Anime, and your arguing that my game doesn't belong there (Or at least somewhere)? The main issue is not my game's acceptance to Byond Anime, but just that my game doesn't appear on Byond.com -anywhere-. That's the problem. It should at least appear in Games>All | |
Aegon wrote:
There are no similarities to Zeta. It's as different from Zeta as HU is different from Zeta. I would make one of those overlapping charts to show how what you just said is completely wrong, but I feel it would be a waste of time. The graphics are identical, even though you're somehow claiming otherwise now? The character creation used to be identical, but after several people pointed out how blatant of a rip sign that was, you put forth a lot of effort to change it. The training methods are identical. The general chat is pretty similar, as is possibly the hub status, though I'm not 100% sure about that. I never said I made all the graphics for Finale (and it's "clones") but my icons are more original than yours. 85% of my icons are original. 90% of the turfs are original. 70% of all available player icons are original, the most noticeable un-original icon is the "Human" icon. I could list more. But how is that any worse than you using LoG character icons? Recoloring some icons doesn't make them "original". From what I've seen, ALL of your characters/races are from the zeta base. The turfs are from zeta for the most part as well. And as I just pointed out, I don't try to claim the HU sprites as my own work - that's more like an advertising point "Uses LoG Sprites". However Finale isn't the issue, I'm trying to get 'Z Fighters Reborn' submitted and if you try to claim that has anything to do with Zeta, your clearly trolling. Haven't you already admitted that "Z Fighters Reborn" is a Finale "clone"? Or are you changing that story now? | |
Falacy wrote:
Aegon wrote: The graphics are very different I have no idea where your getting that. There character creation was NEVER identical. Similar, yes, but only because it uses input() and alert() procs, which are not evidence of any sort of 'rippery' As a programmer I thought that is something you would know. The chat is similar? Duh. Just like every other game made with Byond. They all use a text box/output. Hub text is completely different, and even if it weren't that is not a credible indication of a rip. Just because my game has a Train and Meditate verb does not make the training system 'identical'. Almost all the Bleach games ALSO have a train and meditate verb, by your logic that makes them also Zeta rips. I'm not going to go any further about how ridiculous that is. "Haven't you already admitted that "Z Fighters Reborn" is a Finale "clone"? Or are you changing that story now?" Don't twist my words. The very fact that you just tried to twist my words shows how deceptive and untrustworthy you are. Congratulations on lowering your own credibility so I don't have to. Most people will see past what your trying to do here. Your also still wrong about the icons. I already explained that, but clearly that doesn't matter because you have your own motives. I just realized your NOT a byond admin like I thought you were, so I'm wasting my time trying to change your mind. | |
Aegon wrote:
The graphics are very different I have no idea where your getting that. There character creation was NEVER identical. Similar, yes, but only because it uses input() and alert() procs, which are not evidence of any sort of 'rippery' Your "new" game's starting area, how many of those graphics are you claiming credit for? As a programmer I thought that is something you would know. Indeed, that's quite the point. Unless you were intentionally copying zeta, or were ripping their source, your character creation wouldn't have turned out nearly identical to theirs. The chat is similar? Duh. Just like every other game made with Byond. They all use a text box/output. Hub text is completely different, and even if it weren't that is not a credible indication of a rip. I'm referring to the layout and color scheme, not the fact that its in an output control. And not the hub, the world.status on the hub. If you want to look at just the hubs then they're even more similar to the generic zeta rip. Just because my game has a Train and Meditate verb does not make the training system 'identical'. Almost all the Bleach games ALSO have a train and meditate verb, by your logic that makes them also Zeta rips. I'm not going to go any further about how ridiculous that is. Which bleach games? Don't twist my words. The very fact that you just tried to twist my words shows how deceptive and untrustworthy you are. Congratulations on lowering your own credibility so I don't have to. Most people will see past what your trying to do here. "All of those are based on the Finale source, which I made. And the game I am trying to get submitted is a 'sequel' to that source." Twisting your words? Feel free to explain them any other way... Also, use to learn quote post, or just stop using it. They really need to remove and/or improve that "feature" | |
The only thing I want to respond with are these images. Good job selectively choosing the starting area that uses the least original graphics, not that it means anything since if I go into HU I'll find the same thing, so I don't know how your trying to use that against me.
Here are some images that display some original graphics. The one of earth isn't that original I just wanted to post it because I like how it looks. http://yfrog.com/8727722870p http://yfrog.com/jp69359078p http://yfrog.com/jp44655185p http://yfrog.com/4465495833p I don't think I'm going to respond any more. Nobody who can help me is even looking at this topic. | |
Aegon wrote:
Good job selectively choosing the starting area that uses the least original graphics, Selectively choosing? You're the one that started me there... Sorry I didn't want to slowly walk around your crappy rip for 8 hours to find your 2 original icon states. not that it means anything since if I go into HU I'll find the same thing, so I don't know how your trying to use that against me. You won't find that same thing. You'll find LoG graphics, and you'll find them everywhere, not just at the "selectively chosen" starting area. As I've already said multiple times, though your tiny little brain can't seem to comprehend it: I don't wrongfully steal credit for anything in my games. If anything, I do the complete opposite - that would be how I'm using it against you. Nobody who can help me is even looking at this topic. Well... nobody can help get your <s>rip(s)</s> clone(s) into BYOND anime... so who are you wanting to look? Unless you just want a member to submit it for you, in which case there are plenty viewing this topic. | |
Aegon wrote:
I think due to the success of my past games my new game could get a little bit of instant credibility and at least be listed in the 'All Games' section. Unfortunately, this is not how things work. Your game needs to earn its way into the anime guild. Now this new game (Z Fighters Reborn) is the latest and best, more updated than all the rest. The only game I still actively manage and update. You're claiming that Z Fighters is the best, this does not have much merit. If your game is decent, and truly yours, it will eventually earn its way into the anime guild. In the mean time, try advertising. | |
Aegon wrote:
(...)Nobody who can help me is even looking at this topic. You have been advised on how to get your game published. The respective banner guild has informed you that you can always post in the BYOND Animé Game Discussion forum without requiring a membership. It is all up to you, or fans of your game to create a game submission posting. Aegon wrote: my game doesn't appear on Byond.com -anywhere-.(...) It should at least appear in Games>All It actually does, you just have to include all games (28263 hub entries as of posting this) in the listing manually, since the default list is filtered to avoid the new customer being flooded with repetitive content. I'm not sure that being listed with about 30000 other games grants your game a notably better chance to be spotted, but that is debatable and subjective. | |