Everyone has their own opinion however. Better is a relative term based on your personal preferences. Maybe you just like Yut Put's game more than you like the others, which in that case makes it an opinion.

When you think of a maze you don't typically think of a few rooms connected to each other. A maze is defined as an area with branching paths, in which there is more than one way to reach the goal or end point. Based on that discription, Yut Put's game may be a maze, but the contest states that it will also be judged based on how close it fits with the judging criteria.

Being more or less maze like obviously would swing the competition in another title's favor, or make it lose points based on that. I don't see the judge's decision as unfair. I've actually ran contests and had people say the same thing, and it's usually just because they themselves didn't read the rules or adhere to them. In this case having a good game doesn't automatically make it a win since the contest rules clearly state that the game needs to fit into certain requirements, as well as be mainly dealing with passing through a maze. A large area with access to multiple rooms to pass through hardly constitutes as a maze- it barely fits the description, I think that was the point Pop Lava was trying to make.

then there was no point in the contest if it was solely based on being a maze then all you had to do was make a dot and a maze and you could be judged, the first place game screen shot just looks terrible to me. Jittais game is very fun and funny and finally yuts is great and very creative ( seems to creative for people)

what a maze is: A network of paths and hedges designed as a puzzle through which one has to "find a way".

Not a way out, just like how mouses go through a maze;s for studies to find cheese and the cheese isn't always outside the maze its inside.

It has been decided, i'm just stating my opinion and some facts.

Don't know what your trying to say either but with your link you kinda proved my point that it could be either.

I also see that he might have entered it w.o an exit due to people just avoiding the zombies but at one point there was an exit which means it was a maze is you start somewhere and exit somewhere else ( based on your link that's a maze). maybe how he submitted it was different but as long as it had an exit it was the winner easily, but then again that is a big diff no exit/vs exit , but also not all mazes have an exit's.

Dariuc wrote:

The contest isn't about how fun something is, or how much you like it. It's about creating a game that fits the rules of the contest as closely as possible (while making the game interesting or fun to play). The rules dictate what will be required to win. What you are arguing about is your "opinion", not what the rules state.

LOL. Hmm the point of a GAME isn't to be fun or interesting? Really? damn hear i though i played games to have fun but all i was doing was playing something that followed a certain criteria of gaming genre. your acting like he said make and educational game and even with that educational games are made fun to keep your attention and draw you in.
tbh you sound like someone who can't make a game that's fun. i could be wrong and being judgmental but aren't me all :/ .

Welp if following the rules makes me make crappy vs great games, sure your right. but just looking at the first place games screenshot is giving me nightmares. this is a perfect example of why people don't make good games on byond cause enjoy-ability and creativeness are never expected or wanted to be showcased. i'm pretty sure even brand new programmer could make a maze and it would follow the criteria doesn't mean it will be fun.

No, he's being shallow. He probably didn't even "play" the first game to see if he liked it. He looked at it, went "that looks like crap" and then snubbed it.
THAT's what's wrong with byond.
So many "great" looking games on this site are blatant rips of other people's works it's ridiculous. People lack innovation, and I have an idea that's why the person that sumbitted and won first place did so, innovation.

Anyone who makes games should know that it's not about looks it's about what a game has to offer. There are plenty of awesome games that hook people and it has nothing to do with looks. Minecraft comes to mind for example.

My point ultimately is this is a competition. If you want to increase your chances of winning you are supposed to make something that adheres to the rules set by the contest maker, it's the game maker's responsibility to fill their game with fun while also ensuring they can win to the best of their ability.

Fact is, Yut's game is sort of like wandering around a mall killing stuff. The basis of his game has nothing to do with a maze, that just seemed to be added in as an after thought so that he could enter the contest. The game has very little to do with the THEME of the contest, which is traversing a maze. And more about either escaping or killing everything.

I'm not able to play the winning entry but I would like to do so. I highly doubt the first entry won just cause it was a maze.

The instructions didn't hold anyone back... if anything they were pretty vague.

It looks fine to me, the walls appear like those illusions messing with perspective- I'm curious how those were used.

Wasn't submitted nor judged so it' invalid, but from what i played of it, would've been very interesting.

It's not barely a maze game. It isn't a maze game by the very definition of a maze.

Rushnut wrote:

LILMESSI18 wrote:

Welp if following the rules makes me make crappy vs great games, sure your right. but just looking at the first place games screenshot is giving me nightmares. this is a perfect example of why people don't make good games on byond cause enjoy-ability and creativeness are never expected or wanted to be showcased. i'm pretty sure even brand new programmer could make a maze and it would follow the criteria doesn't mean it will be fun.

If the criteria for winning a football trophy, is to be the best team at football, and they give it to a tennis player just because he's REALLY good at tennis and they both use a ball so it's kind of the game...

That's basically your argument.

Nobody here is saying that Yut Put's game is bad, but when a game contest for money, is specifically made for people to make maze games, for nothing more than a bit of fun, and then Yut Put comes in, makes barely a maze game, and takes the prize winnings, it kind of pisses me and evidently a few other people off.

Again this isn't meant to be an attack on the game itself, I think it's really neato, it's just not what a winner of a maze game contest should be.

So much fail, SOOOOOO much.

I said that it meets the criteria for the contest ( being as its popa's contest and he judged and accepted it so i would assume that means it met the criteria) which means its still a foootbaal teeeeam, tennis would be it not meeting the criteria which actually would mean its not in the contest which would make this argument invalid and non existing.

I never said anybody said it was bad i stated that everyone also said it was good even the person i was addressing and also having a debate/conversation. so this point is also invalid and pointless *pun intedned*

As you said it barley makes a maze game BUT in con clusion it IS a maze game even based on your words and other and lava's.

Like i also said i do need a chance to play the other game But i don't see how it could be better imo and based on facts and other peoples opinion. i also said that its very creative and it seems that a lot of people think inside the box/black and white , making it hard to properly judge or look at a game reasonably and logically without misconstruing what the point of the game is.

@Dariuc

Basically what your saying is that a game that follows the criteria perfectly and is not entertaining whatsoever is better and would win over a game with a minimal meeting of the criteria but very entertaining.

i understand where your coming from but my point is still correct. while yours weighs slowly on the first place game being better and not sucking deeply.

@Fugsnarf

As you stated your game isn't fun because its hard not to hard cause I've played it and had fun but it gets you frustrated cause its pretty difficult ( because you cant really tell what progression you've made cause you cant see anything). Some mazes are very hard and make you want to quit, so it would seem that your game didn't do good in the contest cause its was to hard or lava specifically cause many other people would enjoy a difficult maze.

Tl;dr

All in all it seem's this contest was more about what lava liked and followed his rules then it was about making a good game which i have seen this done a lot on byond. trying to say im attacking the community ans saying people suck at making games holds no weight based on there really being no significant games on byond which are good and popular which has been stated by everyone.


Yut Put wrote:

My personal interpretation of multiple paths involved the eclectic weaponry and the many choices you could use to "escape" the maze.

The bottom line is I was under the assumption that Poplava was willing to be lenient on the definition of a maze. In fact, had I not made a game like killthemall, my entry would have been much more obscure and atmospheric, playing off of the idea of a maze in an artistic sense, which definitely would have not breached the *****close-mindedness*****.