I hope he makes it in large part just to motivate the developers here to try to look beyond BYOND for advertisement. I've said it a hundred times, but there's no reason why the games here can't be enjoyed by the mainstream. Even the games made circa 2000 are a heck of a lot of fun in a casual multiplayer setting (which is IMO still largely untapped). So I hope those of you who haven't voted at least take a look to support not just Silk, but BYOND as a whole.

BYOND games seems to gather a fair amount of players at the start it dies down pretty quickly and you end up with just the regulars and of course the trolls.

But that's the down side to many games non BYOND, I hope this brings more developers and players to BYOND (hopefully they purchase memberships).

Tom wrote:

Even the games made circa 2000 are a heck of a lot of fun in a casual multiplayer setting (which is IMO still largely untapped).

You're completely right, and I think that's a good point. There's a reason the Wii sold so well, for example. Most people aren't hard-core gamers, but everybody loves a good casual multi-player game with friends. Even just one or two friends. Minecraft is another good example.

Fugsnarf wrote:

Most people aren't hard-core gamers, but everybody loves a good casual multi-player game with friends. Even just one or two friends. Minecraft is another good example.

Yeah, for a while I was trying to push BYOND into the modern "euro" board-game arena, because those are the kinds of games that aren't held back by BYOND's limitations and play great with a small group of people (but not less than that). And entire industry is based around the tabletop versions of these games so I knew it'd be lucrative online too. Unfortunately none of the contacts I made were interested in working with a small-time operation like us. Now I see others have jumped on this idea as online gaming has become increasingly more mainstream. But it's not too late for the developers here to take advantage of this fact.

And here's why you shouldn't support this game for Greenlight. The developer is a thief who bans people with paid lifetime subscriptions for his game for being critical of him and his game on private forums. He got himself probated from these forums and got his own fan thread gassed by lashing out at everyone in the topic in a tantrum. Source: http://forums.somethingawful.com/ showthread.php?threadid=3395243&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumb er=23#post404679895

He has also been relentlessly deleting comments critical of his game on Greenlight, whether they draw attention to the above link or not. Sources: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/ showthread.php?t=2914916 http://forums.somethingawful.com/ showthread.php?threadid=3504314

Do not give this man your money, and do not support his game in any capacity so long as he feels the need to conduct himself in this manner. Unban the people you robbed, you child.

I hope the BYOND admins will investigate into your behavior instead of deleting this comment, someone needs to take you to task for what you've said and done to paying players.

Silk Games wrote:

My only mistake in the Something Awful situation a couple months ago was in feeding the trolls. Both users were banned for repeated rule violations, and both were given plenty of warning. They were both so bad (and so infamous) that the rest of the NEStalgia community was happy to see them go. The girl in that thread who was banned actually sent me an apology a week later.

It must be nice living in your fantasy world where everything you do is right and reality is whatever you says it is. Let's talk to Silk Wizard of 3 months ago and ask him why he banned that player.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/ showthread.php?threadid=3395243&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumb er=23#post404702407
The root of your problems in NEStalgia is the way that you treat other people. I wasn't bothered by you saying that you didn't like the game; I was bothered by being rudely told to "GET OUT" of a public forum thread by someone who has been treated as a guest in my game and on my forums for a long time. Especially after the aforementioned moderation issue from a few months back. You really haven't done yourself any favors today.

And then
Player: Whatever it is, it's still a big derail from game discussion. Leave it alone.

Silk Wizard: You know what? Take a few weeks off and think about whether or not you want to play NEStalgia anymore.

They told you to act responsibly on a private forum whose rules you were blatantly violating and you decided to bully them and steal their money because you had to show you had all the power in the situation.

It must make you so mad that no matter how much you try and spin your actions you can't go back and delete the posts that prove you wrong. You fully admit that you banned her for telling you to "GET OUT" of their private forum, which you were flaming posters in.

Your non-existent authority on a forum was challenged and in order to assert yourself, you went on a banning spree. You're an insecure child and anyone who looks at that topic will see nothing but post after post of your flaming and trolling that got you temporarily banned from their private forum.

Mikau wrote:

You haven't given him any reason to actually talk to you on a responsible professional level.

If you read the thread I linked you would see everyone in that topic trying to talk to him on a 'responsible professional level' and him blindly lashing out at everyone. He made the mistakes, he lied about what they were, he raged at anyone who tried to calmly talk him down, he refuses to acknowledge he did anything wrong and he dismisses anyone who brings it up as a 'troll'. He is the entire problem in this situation.

I don't feel like forgiving him for stealing the money of my friends and enabling his ego by letting his actions slide. If BYOND really wants people to look at the 'big picture' they will force him to stop deleting criticism and unban everyone he stole money from in his tantrum in this topic. http://forums.somethingawful.com/ showthread.php?threadid=3395243&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumb er=23#post404679895

If he isn't made to answer for this he will keep acting this way, banning whoever speaks negatively of him or his game and run BYOND's reputation into the ground.

If someone robbed you and a bunch of your friends would you support them for ANYTHING in the name of 'looking at the big picture'?

I agree with Kumorii. The game should be judged on its own merits. As far as I can tell, it is one of the few submissions that is essentially complete, as well as freely playable. Anyone intending to rate it up or down should at least give it a try first.

Having dealt with an online community for some time, I can tell you that It is easy for things to spiral out of control due to minor missteps and the fickle nature of the Internet mob. I'm not sure what Silk did or didn't do, but I can pretty much guarantee that the other parties are not wholly innocent either. Regardless, since NEStalgia is the result of a lot of work and can be played for free, there's really no reason for so much ire!

I hope this topic does not get derailed. Let the game speak for itself.

I'd be inclined to say it's not BYOND's place really to mediate on this kind of matter. BYOND is the platform provider, basically, and this seems to be a game administration complaint, not a platform misuse complaint.

If this was "They are taking money for services, and then not providing services at all, to anyone", BYOND would have a prerogative to do something about it. Because that'd be called a scam, and that's obviously not cool.

What seems to have gone down though, is a few users (maybe more, care to quantify?) out of the game's playerbase were banned, out of a reasonably sized playerbase. Services sold by the game are on the whole, provided as per the generally understood terms of service NEStalgia have, and most transactions are amicable.

Banning someone who paid isn't stealing. From what I heard, he banned the people that were trolling his game. Just because you buy subscriptions doesn't exempt you from a game's code of conduct.

As always, whenever NEStalgia is mentioned, a handful of retards come out the woodworks to unleash their attack. Do you guys ever give it a rest?

This sounds a lot more dramatic than it really is, to be honest, and as per what I'd brought up before about BYOND as the platform provider, it's not really very sensible for us to get involved.