Albro1 wrote:

Okay I'm curious on your thoughts in regard to a few hot topics about the twitter situation then tbh

1) Removing verified check marks, making them purchasable (to recoup the massive sum he was forced to spend on Twitter because the trial was expediated to prevent him from using his influence to tank Twitter's value before buying it)

Left-wing advertisers couldn't advertise their LGBTQ bar events so they backed out, Elon had to make money some how.

2) Immediately rolling that back when people obviously abused it and tanked the stock of things like Lockheed Martin and others

People make mistakes, oh well.

2) His refusal to unban Alex Jones

Alex Jones will not be unbanned until he retracts his statement about making the frogs gay.

3) His firing of employees that correct him

Sucks for them, guess they're gunna have to find a different job to eat at.

4) Him disabling microservices saying 90% are unnecessary, which included the service that allowed 2FA - so if you signed out, you couldn't sign back in

Not my problem.

5) The massive firing of employees to cut costs because of the massive debt he just incurred, only to rehire them because they were going to sue

They deserve to be fired and much worse.

That's just a couple I could think of, haven't kept my nose right on the details but I've seen that much at least lol

Elon Musk saved America, from you

Imagine actually using twitter to feed your ego? I've never had a twitter account because groups of people always tend to go full-retard.

Spevacus wrote:

I keep one just to be able to view Twitter without getting a boatload of "Sign up now!" dialogs in my face. Highly recommend.

Imagine

Spevacus wrote:

endlessly scrolling

Imagine

Kozuma3 wrote:

Left-wing advertisers couldn't advertise their LGBTQ bar events so they backed out, Elon had to make money some how.

Under Elon's free speech leadership they absolutely could've advertised it, they specifically backed out because they didn't want to be associated with what was happening to the platform. This is simply the free market at work, companies are free to associate with whatever other companies they want, but it is pretty objectively a clusterfuck (even if you don't pin any of the blame on Elon at all, the situation itself is a clusterfuck).

People make mistakes, oh well.

Okay so you can admit that it was a mistake...which is kinda the point. The whole situation is a clusterfuck. Something tells me you're inferring that I am by extension trying to talk big shit about Elon, but all I did was call out the mistakes he made around the Twitter situation and some situations of minor hypocrisy in regards to free speech.

Alex Jones will not be unbanned until he retracts his statement about making the frogs gay.

Okay but in reality, we should both be aware that he was kept banned because Musk took exception to his conspiracy claims about Sandy Hook because Musk's child died. Musk claimed his child died in his arms. Musk's wife (or is it ex-wife? Honestly not sure on that) apparently alleged that the child died in her arms, not his, but that's not important.

Sucks for them, guess they're gunna have to find a different job to eat at.

You're not incorrect, but that does fly directly in the face of his claims of free speech absolutism.

Not my problem.

None of this was ever about it being your problem, its about the clusterfuck that you claim is subjective. A stance that you're...not really holding very well, admittedly.

They deserve to be fired and much worse.

I would ask what makes you think that, but it isn't relevant. Refer to the above response to the previous point.

Elon Musk saved America, from you

:O What did I do to America that caused it to need saving? I'm sensing some potential assumptions about me here but I don't wanna assume your assumptions so I'll ask so you can explain

Spevacus wrote:

Initial rollout was a trainwreck, but they look like they're actually making changes to try and make it somewhat viable. Actually-verified entities have golden checkmarks now, which is neat.

That's good. I use it for personal business related things but haven't kept up much with what's been happening in the wake of the shit storm.

I really do wonder if some of the bans are personal beef. I'd like to think they aren't, but who knows.

Check my reply to Koz for the actual reason. It's because of Sandy Hook conspiracy.

Unfamiliar with this. Do you have a story/tweet/link? I'd be interested. (Not a Musk fan but I'm curious)

Here's an article about it.
Also, the Twitter interactions one specific instance:
Employee quote tweets musk pointing out what he said was factually incorrect, which was backed up by others. Check the replies where Musk has a conversation with him, and he responds with full explanations on what he's worked on.
And here is his update the next day, fired and unable to access his work PC.

Xooxer wrote:

Granted. That is a hot take. In my defense, I have been debating only the most choice trolls on youtube, so I may be a bit lacking in tact. Use or lose it, amiright? I can come less aggressive, certainly.

<3

Xooxer wrote:

Your next reply to Albro started out much better until you called him lazy and weak

I did no such thing. If you read closely, I asked him if his goal was to seem lazy and weak in his position.

I think I'll just agree to disagree here.

Xooxer wrote:

but it's all building up to "Not okay". Again, the lock is for the thread, not you specifically.

Yes. Kozuma highlighted this tactic already, and it does seem to be the standard around here, having been made victim to it both here and in Discord, by the same actors, too. Why you allow this is beyond me. I demoted anyone who baited people into punishment when I ran Chatters. Why fizz is given free reign to be simply horrible is... making your moderation very sus, bro. Very sus indeed. Why, it's almost like you sanction his antics because it provides you the excuse you need to slap people around. But hey, what do I know, right? It's not like I've herded you cats before. (I have)

To be clear, are you accusing Lummox of allowing Fizzy and others to be inflammatory in a roundabout way to bait you into a potentially rule-breaking response? Because I can assure you Lummox literally doesn't have time for that nonsense. I kinda do, but I don't want to do that. I'll begin removing relentlessly off-topic postings from threads of this nature in the future, though, as I do feel like doing so would make for better discussion.

Xooxer wrote:

Yeah, I'm not so certain. Ter got to tear into me without a retort, then bragged about how 'this would go down', lording his moderator position over me afterwords. Judging by what Koz claims (who's been right about all of this so far) this is the standard practice.

When you say "His (Ter's) moderator position", do you mean his Discord moderator permissions? Because he's not a mod here on the forums anymore. Hasn't been for several years to my knowledge.

Xooxer wrote:

All I (and probably Lummox) want is for y'alls discussion to take place without personal attacks, on any side.

Aye, Cap'n. That I can do.

<3

Xooxer wrote:

Xooxer wrote:

Oh, did I bring up the truth? Yeah, my bad. I forgot I was supposed to tow the party line. Do I make my check out to you, or The Big Guy? Oh, he automatically gets 10%? Cool. So how does $10 billion sound?

Making the check out to me would be awesome, actually.

In Roman Liras?

In North Korean Won, if you don't mind.

Albro1 wrote:

Okay I'm curious on your thoughts in regard to a few hot topics about the twitter situation then tbh

I'm not on Twitter, so I only know as much as I've seen in podcasts on YouTube, but already I can see some issues with your questions. I'll do my best to sort it out.

1) Removing verified check marks, making them purchasable (to recoup the massive sum he was forced to spend on Twitter because the trial was expediated to prevent him from using his influence to tank Twitter's value before buying it)

Prior to Elon's purchase, Twitter was subsidized by ESG funds. We are unsure how deeply the funding went, but it was clearly a massive sum. ESG fund are investments from large investment corporations, and the acronym stands for Environmental, Social, Governance funding. Basically, if your company promotes climate awareness, social justice, and abides by government requests, it gets heavily funded by these firms, such as Vanguard.

After Elon took over, those funds were stopped. Twitter is now losing roughly $4 million a day, and that's after letting a huge portion of the employees go. Of course, some of that loss is from advertisers boycotting the company, but a great portion was from these ESG funds.

Making verification a subscription service was an attempt to offset those loses. It was also a way to dismantle the exclusive club of authority that had been built up over the years. Verified users were seen as a special class, above the rabble of the common plebs, and afforded special consideration when giving opinions, or used as authoritative sources in news articles and broadcasts.

If you were unwilling to promote the left's agenda, or were seen as a threat to the narrative, you either lost your verification, or were denied it. This segregated dissenting voices and made the blue checkmark a badge of honor for political elites and pundits. Elon took that away by offering this special elite position in the platform to everyone with $8. A chad move.

2) Immediately rolling that back when people obviously abused it and tanked the stock of things like Lockheed Martin and others

He rolled it back because it wasn't profitable enough for the trouble it was worth, and because the elite verified users had been effectively disbanded within days of rolling it out.

2) His refusal to unban Alex Jones

Unforgivable.

3) His firing of employees that correct him

I don't recall hearing about that. News to me.

4) Him disabling microservices saying 90% are unnecessary, which included the service that allowed 2FA - so if you signed out, you couldn't sign back in

Considering how much the company is costing him, reducing costs makes sense. Yeah, I don't doubt problems arose in the transition. That's big tech. It's not always smooth sailing. I can't speak to the specifics because, again, I don't use Twitter.

5) The massive firing of employees to cut costs because of the massive debt he just incurred, only to rehire them because they were going to sue

If you are referring to who I think you are referring to, then you've been had. Johnson and Sugma? That was a troll. Sugma johnson. Get it? It was lulz. Don't feel too bad. The liberal news outlets all fell for it too. An epic troll, IMHO.

That's just a couple I could think of, haven't kept my nose right on the details but I've seen that much at least lol

Same. I hear about Elon and Twitter, but I don't follow the drama. Too much grass to touch.

I have never been privy to who is a mod and who isn't. I knew Ter was in Discord, so I assumed he was here as well.

Nope, stepped down because I wasn't allowed to ban the three people who later became such a problem that they got themselves shadowbanned.