People try to make other people seem small way too much @_@

Wow, I came back like 3 days later and this is still going on.

Half the people who probably talked shit about me on this thread are blocked for good reason. Ironic enough, when I do actually try to confront them they just turn into quivering masses of jelly, get triggered and scream "dun mess wit muh fren", start hurling insults, accuse me of being "abrasive" (as if i need to consider their feelings when I'M being harassed, damn victim blamers) or some other nonsense.

Block them = "you're wrong avid"
Ignore them and pretend to listen = "you're wrong avid"
Make a valid point = "you're wrong avid."
Except 95% of the time, I'm not.

Tons of people have seen your(aka the community member's) ways, I come across them everday, they outwardly express discontent with the BYOND commnunity and the way douche bags like Yut Put rage for no reason or attack random people who come into the community.

When you make exceptions for people because you perceive them to be special (as if anyone copying everyone elses work is *actually* special, then you open up the door for all the B.S. You see on this thread.

"Dun attack my fren" > Shut up, your "fren" goes around starting shit with everyone else because he has an inferiority complex larger than DT standing next to Obama.

There's a reason this community is dying, and its not RIP games or "crappy Coders". It boils down to a few simple reasons:

***TOXIC people that mods refuse to punish, because they are buddies. This discourages your forum from being active, killing forum health.

***Developers who target other people for developing, yet never actually produce any good games themselves ( dark souls and legend of zelda clones don't count--steam sales should tell you that..) or to requote someone's last words to me before they got blocked "where's the gameplay"?

***A community that refuses to improve with the times, for instance the insistence that people should read through an outdated guide in order to learn instead of just taking some time and making video tutorials is a great way to up the overall programming knowledge.

This increases the likelihood that people who actually want to make games using this software stay around long enough to do so. Pointing to outdated material instead of just making a central place to view "how-tos" is counter productive.

***A search system for the website/forum that only works if you know exactly what you're looking for is pointless to have, since search engines by default are meant to help you FIND things.

This comes into play after being specifically told to "go read stuff" if you want to learn.



There is no situation in this world where any concept or community can flourish without addressing its problems. So when I point these things out and automatically get hatred for them, or people attempting to silence me, I see it for what it is--you're not ACTUALLY committed to making the community better, you're just looking for scape goats to make yourself feel better. As far as me being an asshole, have you ever considered that you get treated with the same amount of venom you approach me with? Let that sink in.

If BYOND dies, it's because of the nonsense spewed on this thread, and others like it -- and nothing more.

One person can't ruin a community(Unless you're Gateway Ra apparently o.O), but 100+ people can. Rather than trying (and failing) to scapegoat me, how about you shut up and actually do something constructive with your time?

This is your calling card and it goes to anyone it applies to. (I'm sure Ter will screenshot this and get it into the right hands, no worries.)

Real Life Example for the people who claim real news is fake, in the PUBLIC BYOND discord channel dozens of people WATCHED someone actively try to con me, only ONE person said anything, the rest giggled like school girls. When said con didn't go as planned and I confronted the person in said discord channel, I was then verbally attacked by multiple people, resulting in me being banned.

How does that work?

Hypocrites. *shrug*

I think you're right.

Xenophobia has never, ever helped anything grow. Nor has restriction of knowledge, which in my opinion I think a great deal of info is purposely withheld to make it more difficult to allow people to develop.

Which once again is completely counterproductive to growth. I don't even understand the accessibility debate. You make things easier to use, more accessible and people use them. It's not really a hard sell.

Are they worried that steam will be overrun by DBZ or naruto rips?
at 100$ an entry i doubt that. Then, IP conflicts which steam will NEVER allow.

All in all, I just don't get it but, most things that don't make sense probably involve money. So that could be why.

@A.T.H.K

I agree. This thread was created specifically to incite an individual. However, Avid's sympathy goes away completely when he sends people PMs threatening legal action. That's the kind of thing there should be a public PSA for. Don't work with this person. You say anything negative about the guy, he's gonna threaten to sue you. By and large, the mods have stopped caring about Avid threads. The guy has repeatedly posted public off topic call-out/fight-me-irl threads directed at other users. He's done the same thing to other people on this forum. Why bother filing the corners down when he's been screaming since 2011 about being cyberbullied/harassed by literally every single person on this forum he's ever interacted with? Especially why do it when the main reason he posts is to post fight-me-irl threads directed at anybody who happens to irritate him?

There's no point. He's incapable of introspection and self-awareness. Some users are worth trying to salvage. Dariuc had his chance back in 2011. He's long gone.

This coming from someone who has repeatedly in this thread defended Avid against OP's original bullshit. There's no bias here. Just years of experience that have given me ample reason to see a regular problem user the way they present themselves.

I'm all for live and let live, letting someone live down their past behavior. I've offered multiple, multiple times to forget about 6 years of history of this shit happening. But it keeps on happening. He keeps doing the same shit. It's never going to change. Either he's going to keep being a source of dumpster fires in the future, or he's going to cross the line and get himself banned. It's just his nature at this point:


You call him on his shit once, you are gonna wind up dealing with him accusing you of sending people to harass him, being part of some grand conspiracy to fuck with him. He'll delete threads and then lie to people about what happened in those threads, and when you start screencapping what he says to keep him accountable for what he's said, he'll throw that out as stalking/harassment. You call him a chronic liar and show screencaps that prove he's one? Guess what, guy will start threatening you with slander, and accuse you of modifying your screencaps.

He'll pagerban you, you'll say something that slightly triggers him, then send you a bunch of threatening pager messages calling you out, then pagerban you before you can respond.

You pager ban him? He calls you out publicly on the forums calling you a coward and making legal threats and claiming shenanigans about his crack legal team.



The really sad irony though, is that all the people he rails about needing to be banned are the BYOND community. They are the ones making games, writing tutorials, helping in Dev Help, trying to maintain the documentation, and attempting to report bugs and get features implemented to help them work with the software. Even if we banned every person he'd had beef with, the guy would still be begging for more bans, more people to be gone, and blaming all of his negative interactions on the site on everyone else.

#thisthreadiswhyyouneedbettermodslummy

Avidanimefan said:

As far as me being an asshole, have you ever considered that you get treated with the same amount of venom you approach me with? Let that sink in.

I find this hard to swallow, considering I've never been anything but cordial with you and you felt it necessary to shit on theoretical code I never wrote.

Edit: Also I'm sorry if anybody took offense to my joke directed toward CM. I'm sure he understood it to be a joke, but sometimes I forget that not everyone is on the Discord and from the outside looking in my comment may have seemed pretty rude.

Boi don't even act like you don't secretly love the BYONDrama. Everybody here feeds on it.

Shouldn't we change the title from 'BYOND Programmers' to 'BYOND's Drama' ?