In response to EmpirezTeam
EmpirezTeam wrote:

Sorry snowflakes, there'll be no breaking the glass ceiling this time around either.




And I interrupt this discussion to bring you: Barrons "IDGAF" face ft. Melanias "IDGAF" face:



Barron is the true hero of this election. #MakeAmericaSleepyAgain.

Also, see what they did there with the ties? Red on the Donald, white on the Barron, blue on the Pence. I appreciate the effort they put into getting those colors coordinated.
We need to sterilize Ana before she reproduces. We can't allow her retard genes to be passed on. She's attractive so we don't have a lot of time - someone may be going down on her as we speak.



[edit] Nevermind boys, I just came across some remarks by her made in the past and apparently she doesn't believe in having kids! That's what I call a god damn miracle. If that ain't proof there's a god, I don't know what is.
In response to EmpirezTeam
EmpirezTeam wrote:
We need to sterilize Ana before she reproduces. We can't allow her retard genes to be passed on. She's attractive so we don't have a lot of time - someone may be going down on her as we speak.

Vee calls that thumbnail 'The face of tolerance'
In response to EmpirezTeam
EmpirezTeam wrote:
- Are quick to scream "BLM" and blame all the problems within the black community on racist white police officers when around 90% of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks

87% of white people are killed by other white people too. That statistic is extremely irrelevant. "Black Lives Matter" doesn't mean that black lives are the ONLY lives that matter - it means that black lives matter too, ie just as much as everyone else's. Nobody's blaming all of the black community's problems on white people, but to deny the systematic racism in this country is just plain naive.


EmpirezTeam wrote:
- Are convinced the way to fix the economic problems in America is "TAX THE RICH FOLK" rather than addressing what the government is doing with the trillions we're already throwing at them

We should be taxing the rich more. America is pretty much a goddamn pyramid scheme at this point and the majority of us are at the bottom. That said, I do agree that there are plenty of government funds that could be pulled from elsewhere - ie the 50%+ of our budget that goes to military spending.

EmpirezTeam wrote:
- Are convinced that giving the people that fuck up your order every other time you go to McDonald's a $6 or $8 raise is going to end poverty across the country

Obviously this will not "end poverty," but it's certainly a step in the right direction. Minimum wage is supposed to be the minimum LIVABLE income, not the lowest possible amount of money you can give someone without being sued. Times have changed, prices are heavily inflated, and it's time that wages change to match.

Realistically though I do assume that this will end up creating many more "temporary" and "part time" jobs, but I don't necessarily consider that a bad thing. It means there would be more competition in the workforce, which would mean that only the best workers actually stay employed and keep their hours every week. If you want a pay raise, you need to be willing to work and compete for that money.
In response to Unwanted4Murder
Lotsa bad stuff here

Unwanted4Murder wrote:
EmpirezTeam wrote:
- Are quick to scream "BLM" and blame all the problems within the black community on racist white police officers when around 90% of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks

87% of white people are killed by other white people too. That statistic is extremely irrelevant.

Not when you realize that 94% of black people are killed by other black people. Which means at best 6% of black deaths are at white hands while 13% of white deaths are at black hands.

"Black Lives Matter" doesn't mean that black lives are the ONLY lives that matter - it means that black lives matter too, ie just as much as everyone else's.

No on said that they didn't. If you look at police shootings, you're actually far safer being an unarmed black man than an unarmed white man. BLM is not about police brutality, and it never was.


EmpirezTeam wrote:
- Are convinced the way to fix the economic problems in America is "TAX THE RICH FOLK" rather than addressing what the government is doing with the trillions we're already throwing at them

We should be taxing the rich more.

The more you penalize success, the less people become successful. America actually has the highest corporate taxes in developed nations. The wealthy actually pay far more taxes than anyone in the middle class.


EmpirezTeam wrote:
- Are convinced that giving the people that fuck up your order every other time you go to McDonald's a $6 or $8 raise is going to end poverty across the country

Obviously this will not "end poverty," but it's certainly a step in the right direction. Minimum wage is supposed to be the minimum LIVABLE income

This is actually not even close to true. There's so much misinformation here. First, over 80% of people in poverty are unemployed. Second, of the 20% that remain, only around 5% actually work full-time jobs. On top of that, if you're earning minimum wage, you probably don't have a degree, and you're probably working low-skill labor. Having a college degree will always give you a step-up towards higher earnings.

The best solution is for people to be paid what they're worth to the company. If you're worth beans, maybe you should find a new job.
tl;dr america is racist and systemic racism is destroying blacks, we need to take as much of everyone else's money as we possibly can and more socialism and handouts encourages competition

where do you live bruh? because it certainly aint in reality xD

TIL earning a living wage is "socialism" and "handouts"

Systemic racism isn't "destroying blacks," but it certainly doesn't help anything.

We obviously have a fundamental difference of opinion here and that's OK. You don't have to be an asshole all the time, you know.
In response to Unwanted4Murder
Unwanted4Murder wrote:
TIL earning a living wage is "socialism" and "handouts"

Yeah because a wage hike was the only thing proposed by the left, right boys? Do I have to go down the list? Because it's kinda long.

Systemic racism isn't "destroying blacks,"

Exactly. And literally the first sentence on the BLM website's "guiding principles" page reads

"Black Lives Matter is an ideological and political intervention in a world where Black lives are systematically and intentionally targeted for demise. It is an affirmation of Black folks’ contributions to this society, our humanity, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression."

BLM believes that black people can't get ahead because of systemic racism, that they are being hunted down on a regular basis by white police officers ( when, as I pointed out, it's blacks that are hunting other blacks on a daily basis, and no, this is not an irrelevant statistic, this is of the utmost relevance ), that they deserve slavery reparations( LOL ), and that destroying local businesses ( some owned by OTHER BLACKS ), attacking white people at random and killing police officers that had nothing to do with the any of the incidents is somehow a justifiable response to the injustice they insist is happening.

BLM is one of the most sickening, hypocritical, ignorant bullshit movements of our time. What's even more hilarious is when people not even within the black community just lap up the race baiting like peaches and cream oatmeal and march alongside the savages without even knowing what's happened. I'm from the ghettos of Detroit, Michigan. I spent the first half of my childhood growing up in a rundown apartment complex next to a liquor store. I remember being about 5 or 6 years old hearing loud noises coming from outside and my Mom telling me to "get down" - only to realize later on in life, those were gun shots I was hearing or more importantly, blacks killing other blacks. So no, I don't entertain, even for a second, the moaning and griping about "white folks did this" and "white folks did that" and "Trump wants to send us back to Africa" ( that's an actual quote by a BLM member btw ).

We obviously have a fundamental difference of opinion here and that's OK.

We have a different awareness of reality. You know, there's certain places in the world that you can move to if you want more socialism. You can try Greece for example. You can have all the promises and taxes you want there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_government-debt_crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Tax_evasion_and_corruption_in_Greece





You don't have to be an asshole all the time, you know.

Right, the first response by everyone on the left as soon as you tell the truth. "Quit being an asshole." I'm surprised you haven't said "quit being a racist" yet.
EmpirezTeam wrote:
BLM believes that black people can't get ahead because of systemic racism, that they are being hunted down on a regular basis by white police officers ( when, as I pointed out, it's blacks that are hunting other blacks on a daily basis, and no, this is not an irrelevant statistic, this is of the utmost re...

Well, no. What the majority of the BLM movement "believes" is that racism is a real problem and it's disproportionately effecting certain minorities, which is a fact. Of course black on black crime is a thing, but you sort of need to look at the bigger picture there and realise that poverty is the main contributing factor, which once again ties partly into race and a history of segregation.

I mean, you have unarmed blacks being killed at 5x the rate of whites in 2015 by police officers, among other clear cut statistics. Even if on average blacks commit slightly more crime--which again, is due to poverty and not because they're naturally violent, lazy, or some other bullshit-- things are heavily slanted against them.

If you're born black, you're much more likely to be born into poverty, receive a poorer education, a less stable upbringing, and be discriminated against. That's the truth. That's systemic racism. That's a problem. Skewing BLM into something else entirely when all it's doing is pointing out these things and encouraging peaceful activism is silly...

...and heck, if you think BLM is violent, go look into the Civil Rights Movement. That spilled far more blood, but it pressured politicians into ending some of the racist policies and moved public opinion as a whole.
In response to EmpirezTeam
EmpirezTeam wrote:
We have a different awareness of reality. You know, there's certain places in the world that you can move to if you want more socialism. You can try Greece for example. You can have all the promises and taxes you want there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Democracy_Index#Democracy_index_by_country_.282015.29

Or any country that does democracy better than the US. They're bound to lean toward the left and function better as a society as a whole.

That's a fun reality for you.

Socialism works.
In response to Pixel Realms
No point in giving factual information when they think they've already got it all figured out.
whitelivesmatter
#nolivesmatter

#nuclearproliferationparty

#burnitdownpookie

It is not a fact. Black people are not poor because of systemic racism. What you're insisting is that there are white educators, white officers, white judges, mayors, etc. all working together to keep the "black man down", and absolutely no such thing exists. Instead, the only "proof" you have to present is "unarmed blacks are killed at 5x the rate of whites" which doesn't take into the account why some of those "unarmed" suspects were shot, i.e. reaching for the officers weapon, attacking the officer with their own equipment, hell, some blacks even get shot by stray bullets from the officers and this is added into the overall "unarmed black killing" statistic and purported by BLM to be "racism". More whites and Hispanics are killed by police than blacks are, and 40% of all cop killers are black, but BLM is never going to point that out to you. Those are the other "clear cut statistics" you were looking for.

Blacks are not in poverty because the white man is forcing them to. Statistics also show that the majority of rich people earned, not inherited, their wealth. This means that whenever you see a black person driving a Rolls Royce, that person more than likely came from the exact same situations you claim keeps every other black person from succeeding in life - and if that's the case, why is that black man driving a Rolls Royce? If all these corrupt evil white folks are forcibly keeping black people down by just randomly shooting them for no reason, or tossing them in prison, and denying them the best jobs and homes and education, please explain to me how we ended up with well-off black people in this country. We have a half-black man who went to Harvard, became president and got 2 terms, but "there's systemic racism in America". When people like Jay-Z perform at concerts, their crowds are predominantly white, but "America hates blacks". In some of the riots, they were protesting supposed "racism" that was done by black officers or a department with a black police chief, so are black police officers and police chiefs working with the white police officers to kill or arrest all the blacks? I guess white people are also to blame when black kids don't graduate, and are encouraged by other black adults to join gangs and commit crimes, and are to blame for the alarming amount of single mothers in the black community too and the black fathers who don't support their children.

You know why blacks are in poverty? Because they don't do anything to change their situation. They are their own worst enemy. Everything is someone else's fault. The parents don't teach their children anything of value, the children grow up not knowing anything so out of ignorance, they make the same mistakes their parents did and the cycle of crime and death continues. Every white person could get on a boat back to Europe right now and tomorrow you'd still have blacks killing blacks in Chicago, not achieving anything in life, and they'd be arrested by black police officers and judged by black judges and would probably still be blaming the white man. No one is denying that there are racist people in America, but this story about how white people are somehow running around stifling blacks all across the country inhibiting us from going to school, working hard, creating a better future for our families and achieving our goals is an absolute fairy tale. I lived in the same neighborhood, went to the same schools, dealt with the same society, worked the same jobs as every other young black man in this country and I am who I am today not because the KKK members within the government forgot to gun me down on the side of the road, but because my parents chose to make better decisions and so have I.

My cousin who is black as well and in a gang was recently shot and left bleeding on the sidewalk and a police officer rushed him to the hospital where he recovered. A few weeks later during all the BLM ruckus, he posted a picture on Facebook glorifying the killing of the police and I couldn't believe someone who was rescued by a police officer not even a month prior to posting that could somehow hate cops, but this is the level of stupidity that runs rampant in this country. And this is why Trump needed to win, because his opponents are obsessed with political correctness, and would like to censor people like me who say "no, blacks are not being held back by whites, blacks are holding themselves back". There was a Civil Rights Movement in the 1950s because there was actual government-mandated discrimination and segregation happening. There's a BLM movement in 2016 because blacks who haven't achieved anything need someone or something to blame their failures on. If you want to improve the black community, it doesn't start with attacking white police officers. It doesn't start with legislation. It doesn't start with protesting the president. It starts with the black community. Blacks need to focus on improving themselves first. Even if they were entitled to slavery reparations ( they're not ), it's putting the cart before the horse. Get off your ass and work. Educate yourself. Think for yourself. Learn from the mistakes of the people who came before you. Raise your children. Help others. Be patient and don't give up.

There is no systemic racism preventing blacks from doing anything I just suggested here. At all. The problem is that they choose not to do it and until they start making better choices, there's nothing anyone outside of the black community can do to save them. Would you like to know how many homicides have occurred this year in Chicago? 725. Would you like to know how many killings involved a police officer?

10.

But apparently racist whites are the main reason blacks can't succeed in America. Has nothing to do with the blacks themselves. There'd be no crime and poverty if whites would just pay blacks the reparations they owe them, HURR DURR.
In response to EmpirezTeam
EmpirezTeam wrote:
You know why blacks are in poverty? Because they don't do anything to change their situation.

Yeah, there's no use in going any further here--nothing is going to be gained. When your argument is that blacks are naturally lazy, I don't really want to engage in that level of ignorance.

Plus, you somehow missed my point completely. I didn't say that black people couldn't succeed or that racism is all that should be blamed, but you're spinning it into a weird 'us vs. them' deal.
In response to Pixel Realms
Pixel Realms wrote:
When your argument is that blacks or the poor are naturally lazy, I don't really want to engage in that level of ignorance.

I want you to give me several examples of systemic racism holding blacks back. You can't just post a misrepresented statistic and think you've made an argument.
In response to Pixel Realms
Oh and BTW, the Danish Prime Minister is on record saying "Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy". The left likes to point at things like "free education" and say "SEE! SOCIALISMS WORKS!!!" ignoring the fact that in places like Sweden, they recovered from their recession by cutting back welfare programs and reducing taxes to attract entrepreneurs/job creators. Hmm... less handouts and less taxes on the rich... doesn't sound very leftist to me.

I gave you an actual example of socialism and you chose to ignore it ( for obvious reasons: it proves you wrong ) but you're going to have to try again here, buddy.
The BLM movement is not a response to actual racism and individual discrimination within society.

The BLM movement is a response to the worsening socio-economic position of the lower and middle classes and increasing wealth disparity in this country.

The race-war bullshit has been aggressively preened by the media to scare the majority of the population into watching more news and has has the unusual unintended side-effect of making the whites and hispanics in this country genuinely seem to think that things are okay economically.

The Baltimore riots are the end result of a city whose zoning code precluding buildings taller than 40 feet have resulted in a massive urban sprawl that is completely unsustainable. Gentrification, traffic, long commute times, obvious income disparity and borderline slave wages within the city center for those commuting for as much as 60 additional hours a month are creating underserved and volatile pockets of poverty at the fringes of the city.

The anger of black Americans is understandable, and should be mirrored among lower and middle class whites. However, I feel it is misguided and misdirected.

Instead, we need to repair our crumbling infrastructure. We need to adjust our zoning laws that are creating an environment ripe for the squeezing and seclusion of the lower and middle classes, and we need to address our complete and utter failure to understand that a livable wage for the lowest classes in our society is not an option. You can only neglect the bottom 40% of our society for so long before they start missing meals. Our society is three missed meals away from total implosion. All societies are.

Wealth inequality is the problem. Not skin color. Police are only a target in BLM's rhetoric because they are the protectors of landowners, merchants, and investors. Police exist to maintain the stability of a socio-economic paradigm, not a society.

TL;DR: Quit talking about race. Everybody is hurting pretty bad, and you can't just expect that every member of our society is going to be able to work their way out of poverty. There are too many predatory factors at work on our lower and middle classes, and that can be demonstrated by our ever-disappearing middle class.
In response to EmpirezTeam
EmpirezTeam wrote:
You can't just post a misrepresented statistic and think you've made an argument.

It's not a misrepresented statistic by any means, and I mean, your literal argument is 'black people are born lazy'. Do you know how stupid that is?

Ter13 wrote:
Wealth inequality is the problem. Not skin color.

Yes, it mostly comes down to poverty, though racism does play a small part. Politicians represent the rich rather than the majority, and will continue to do so until elections are publicly funded.
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