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I currently develop a game (Dragon Ball Phoenix, for those interested to know.) that has a bit of a problem with griefers.


Normally, this wouldn't be a problem. However, said griefers have been determined to bring the game down for over a year now, and have gone to some pretty disturbing lengths to try and achieve that.


Earlier in the year I posted a topic about an exploit in Byond's code that allowed a user to DoS servers that were hosting games. The person in question who was responsible, Exgenesis, distributed the hack in an attempt to bring down Phoenix. It then lead to some problems for other games as well that had that exploit open. Exgen, was seemingly dealt with after the exploit was patched out, and all was well for awhile.


Unfortunately, deprived of that avenue, he and his friends have taken up a new method of griefing. They've started harassing me outside of the game, because of my involvement in developing Phoenix. This has been going on, on and off since the Byond administrators dealt with him the first time.

Here's a quick list of their most recent "shenanigans".

They've attempted to impersonate me on other games, and on chat services, by making fake versions of my official developer account, in an attempt to stunt development growth. One of Exgen, Kartamas, and Kite's most recent antics include keeping an interested server host on hold for several months by trading false emails over an email account with my account name, but the wrong @___.com tag.

They've openly made false reviews of the game using the Byond service in order to drive players off, and have impersonated me, posting screenshots on Byond of "me", doing some very sick things.

All of these reviews and impersonations have, thankfully, been outed as being fake. They used old versions of Phoenix for the impersonations, which are easily identifiable as such.

They've even gone so far as to try to reverse engineer a way to ruin the servers of the game. Something that, quite frankly, won't work. Partially because Exgen himself is not a very good coder, and partially because he doesn't have the necessary hash file to initiate those access rights within my game.

This last one has been the most damaging offense, however it is an in-game issue, though related to the out of game issues. Currently my server is down (An admin panicked and shut the server down upon noticing a "test run" of the remote ruiner that failed. I'm fixing that as I type, actually.), and our population has gone from 200+ players online, to about 60, tops.

When I originally brought this up during the time when the DoS exploit was in, the Byond administrator who contacted me told me that in-game issues with players should be solved in-game, however the exploit allowed him to get involved on that end of things.


I'm making this post today because those same players who were griefing the game now, are attempting to harass me through the Byond service itself.


Are there any rules that deal with this sort of behavior? And more importantly, is there anyone I can contact on Byond's staff to talk to them about it? To say what they're doing is childish would be a vast understatement. Hell, reading through some of the impersonations again, it's downright sociopathic in some cases.


Previously, I wasn't too concerned about their behavior, however the recent influx of players who have contacted me saying that they had been fooled with the fake email and service accounts, along with the fake reviews and impersonations has convinced me that this is an issue that needs to be dealt with.

We were down a server host for some time because of one of their more recent stunts, something that's not good for a game with a large population.

It is also not something that can be solved in-game by me, either, as it takes place outside of my jurisdiction as a game developer.

This isn't even getting into the fact that the players in question causing the problems have avoided logging into any of the actual Phoenix servers on their accounts for months. They are entirely outside the range of my ability to deal with them, despite them causing problems for both the playerbase, myself, and the game.


Edit: Some of the screenshotted impersonations of me are quite...Nasty, to say the least. So I hesitate to post them here on a public forum. However if a Byond administrator replies, I can send them to him directly.

I'll also contact some of the people who have been hoodwinked by the impersonations and ask them to post here, once I get a chance to contact them, if that will help.
I can attest to this.

Not only this, but just today, they've decided to start posting various porn links.

BYOND should not condone this type of behavior and harassment. Provided that there are definitely children amongst us. Not only is it annoying, unnecessary and awful, isn't it illegal as well?

Dragonball Phoenix is a major contributor to BYOND's playerbase. Some of us come on/back to BYOND solely because of it. I'm sure you guys are tired of drama surrounding the whole Dragonball Finale and it's offsprings' ordeal, but there has to be something you guys can do about this.
In response to XDarkz
Exactly, Porn links are illegal and there are kids among us, even my little bro goes on this website! if you see a porn link on any game that your a admin on, quickly mute that person or kick him/her, to prevent this from happening, (it wont work all the time though,)
In response to DarkKnight3
DarkKnight3 wrote:
Exactly, Porn links are illegal
Wait what?
Dang, all those porn websites are going to be in really big trouble when they find out!
In response to Flame Sage
Exactly!
In response to DarkKnight3
DarkKnight3 wrote:
Exactly!
Please... please... please....
Tell me your not serious.
In response to Flame Sage
I am being serious, and let me guess why your doing this, your a porno fan?
In response to DarkKnight3
DarkKnight3 wrote:
I am being serious, and let me guess why your doing this, your a porno fan?
He's that or he was posting one of those illegal links as a joke not realizing that it was illegal.
In response to Herowic
What the hell are you guys talking about?
It's not "illegal" to post porn links on the internet.
You'd have to be a complete idiot to believe something like that.
In response to Flame Sage
you need to check your user agreement its against the rules to post porn or links to such on byond. furthermore its against the law to post porn or links on any web site children might reasonably be expected to be on. and on a personal note it sounds like your admiting to posting porn links yourself.
In response to Djsangell

DarkKnight3 wrote:
Exactly, Porn links are illegal

He made a fairly broad statement.
Of course posting porn links on a "kids" website is illegal, he needed to clarify, I thought he was talking about the internet in general.

Also, feel free to check my forum posts, I don't post porn anywhere :)
Archonex wrote:
I currently develop a game (Dragon Ball Phoenix, for those interested to know.) that has a bit of a problem with griefers.


Normally, this wouldn't be a problem. However, said griefers have been determined to bring the game down for over a year now, and have gone to some pretty disturbing lengths to try and achieve that.


Earlier in the year I posted a topic about an exploit in Byond's code that allowed a user to DoS servers that were hosting games. The person in question who was responsible, Exgenesis, distributed the hack in an attempt to bring down Phoenix. It then lead to some problems for other games as well that had that exploit open. Exgen, was seemingly dealt with after the exploit was patched out, and all was well for awhile.


Unfortunately, deprived of that avenue, he and his friends have taken up a new method of griefing. They've started harassing me outside of the game, because of my involvement in developing Phoenix. This has been going on, on and off since the Byond administrators dealt with him the first time.

Here's a quick list of their most recent "shenanigans".

They've attempted to impersonate me on other games, and on chat services, by making fake versions of my official developer account, in an attempt to stunt development growth. One of Exgen, Kartamas, and Kite's most recent antics include keeping an interested server host on hold for several months by trading false emails over an email account with my account name, but the wrong @___.com tag.

They've openly made false reviews of the game using the Byond service in order to drive players off, and have impersonated me, posting screenshots on Byond of "me", doing some very sick things.

All of these reviews and impersonations have, thankfully, been outed as being fake. They used old versions of Phoenix for the impersonations, which are easily identifiable as such.

They've even gone so far as to try to reverse engineer a way to ruin the servers of the game. Something that, quite frankly, won't work. Partially because Exgen himself is not a very good coder, and partially because he doesn't have the necessary hash file to initiate those access rights within my game.

This last one has been the most damaging offense, however it is an in-game issue, though related to the out of game issues. Currently my server is down (An admin panicked and shut the server down upon noticing a "test run" of the remote ruiner that failed. I'm fixing that as I type, actually.), and our population has gone from 200+ players online, to about 60, tops.

When I originally brought this up during the time when the DoS exploit was in, the Byond administrator who contacted me told me that in-game issues with players should be solved in-game, however the exploit allowed him to get involved on that end of things.


I'm making this post today because those same players who were griefing the game now, are attempting to harass me through the Byond service itself.


Are there any rules that deal with this sort of behavior? And more importantly, is there anyone I can contact on Byond's staff to talk to them about it? To say what they're doing is childish would be a vast understatement. Hell, reading through some of the impersonations again, it's downright sociopathic in some cases.


Previously, I wasn't too concerned about their behavior, however the recent influx of players who have contacted me saying that they had been fooled with the fake email and service accounts, along with the fake reviews and impersonations has convinced me that this is an issue that needs to be dealt with.

We were down a server host for some time because of one of their more recent stunts, something that's not good for a game with a large population.

It is also not something that can be solved in-game by me, either, as it takes place outside of my jurisdiction as a game developer.

This isn't even getting into the fact that the players in question causing the problems have avoided logging into any of the actual Phoenix servers on their accounts for months. They are entirely outside the range of my ability to deal with them, despite them causing problems for both the playerbase, myself, and the game.


Edit: Some of the screenshotted impersonations of me are quite...Nasty, to say the least. So I hesitate to post them here on a public forum. However if a Byond administrator replies, I can send them to him directly.

I'll also contact some of the people who have been hoodwinked by the impersonations and ask them to post here, once I get a chance to contact them, if that will help.

Lol, Arch. You have some nerve insulting my coding skills considering how pathetic your updates have been. You have said I've griefed you for months. I wrote 17 lines of code. So much effort XD

All in all, I am not liable for how people use the tool which I distributed all that time ago. Now, get the fuck off -my- back, or I'll report -you- for harrassment.
In response to EXGenesis
Your post just proved the OP's point.

Quoting his entire post? Okay that is just rude to start with, then trying to get him for harrasment for stating an issue against you? i am all up for debates and the like, but at least act your age.... nevermind, at least act like mature adults, if ya can't, or won't do that, then don't reply, simple as that.
In response to Wolfnova
It's not Exgen that's the issue, now. Things seem to have calmed down with him since I originally made this topic.


I've still got Kartamas impersonating me under a false name (He uses my email prefix, and an @live.com account to impersonate me. MSN supports multiple account prefixes of the same name, so long as the @____ is of a different type. There are three types available. @MSN, @Hotmail, and now, @Live. The previous two were taken, but he made an @Live before I could in order to grief the game.) in order to try and trick people into thinking he's me.


This has the side affect of stunting the development of the game by drawing people off of the game, or keeping potential icon contributors and server hosts on hold for god knows how long, something that we always have a need for.

This has already been an issue at least once now, with icon contributors and hosts wondering why the hell "I" was leading them on for months at a time. Mean-while, the icons I needed go un-delivered, and I have to put coding projects on hold, because I have no visual representation for the final result of those projects within the game itself.

He's also constantly ban dodging on our forums to troll the ever-living hell out of them. Though that's an issue I can personally handle, as I have direct control over that medium.

This is incredibly under-handed. And it's hardly the sort of behavior I was under the impression that Byond would condone. Was I mistaken?


Edit: Evidently given a report I was just given by the host in question, and one of my coders, he's also threatened one of my hosts with a DoSing (Not possible. Scare tactics, really.) if she doesn't quit the game/quit hosting. He did this while using my name on MSN.

To say that i'm a little peeved would be an understatement.
In response to Archonex
Here are screen shots of the conversation. Some of them are cut off because I apparently fail at this. :s

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Rorian was approached by an Arch impersonator and actually believed it to be him, told him he wished to have the server attacked and would offer coded administrator for his cooperation. Rorian apologized and the attacks, if there were any, stopped.

In response to Malevolent Teaparty
Kart or Kite, I'm assuming it's either of these two has posted -repeatedly- pictures which they refer to as 'porn'.
What they actually are though, are shots like tubgirl, bluewaffle, goatsee and other things I'll refrain from describing.

I've removed 21 posts filled with pictures of these things from the Phoenix forums today.

It's not a game issue, I get that.
Also, in the screenshots Malevolent Teaparty posted, he's making threats to DoS MY server.
In response to Valekor
=3 Please stop claiming it's Kart or Kite without proof. Rumours are rumours, Kart's current MSN is Prophet Pigbreeder Muhammed and Kite's is still Kitethen33b.

I'm not posting their emails due to the fact that would just leed to more un-needed drama, but I can assure you, neither of those is responsible for the impersonation.

Go talk to Conceal or something, he's known for impersonating. After all, he impersonates Funimation and sends fake C&Ds to developers =3
In response to Wolfnova
Wolfnova wrote:
Your post just proved the OP's point.

Quoting his entire post? Okay that is just rude to start with, then trying to get him for harrasment for stating an issue against you? i am all up for debates and the like, but at least act your age.... nevermind, at least act like mature adults, if ya can't, or won't do that, then don't reply, simple as that.

Too lazy to edit the quote. I just click Reply with Quote, simplez. Also, false allegations are harassment =3 Also, you need to shut the fuck up too, or I'll happily post a thread against you, relating to harassment via your pompous pre-judgemental bitchy attitude, kthxbai.