Byond 4.0 mini guide part one completed

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Aug 7 2007, 3:40 pm
Cheak it out, made by me inspired by Byond
http://ltpain.googlepages.com/byond4.0guide
please tell me what you think and if you have any problems post here or IM me ( [email protected] ) or Email me here [email protected]

Hope it helps you :D
Aug 7 2007, 3:52 pm
It's awful. I highly recommend no newbies to DM read this guide, and instead take a look at the Dream Makers guild.
Aug 7 2007, 3:53 pm
While the effort in making a guide for new users is greatly appreciated, I think it might be best to leave it to those who have been using 4.0 for a little longer and have, to put it bluntly, a more eloquent method of passing on their knowledge.

Quite frankly, I can't imagine anybody getting very much from that guide other than a headache :[

sorry dood.
Aug 7 2007, 3:54 pm
In response to Vortezz
Yes i know, looking back at it it was highely rushed, it will be remade and alot better >.<
Aug 7 2007, 4:00 pm
Re: http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3957/scrfa3b622ow9.jpg

The words I used on Chat earlier were a bit harsh, but I think they summed it up rather well: "It's like a polka and a circus had children."

The problem with your interface is that you don't have a consistent theme; you need to have things line up and place the most necessary portions of the user interface in the most accessible places. The pure bright blues and reds definitely have to go, and even if you were to subdue those colours, reds and blues don't complement one another unless you're going for a very soft pink and baby blue pastel-coloured theme -- and even then, that's only really suitable for a game that should support pastel colours by design.

I like the images on the buttons, but they should have a consistent scheme.
Aug 7 2007, 4:04 pm
In response to Jtgibson
Listin this is just an example, it is not made to look nice yet. Please let me finish the guide before you make fun of it ok? God
Aug 7 2007, 4:09 pm
In response to Lt. Pain
If it isn't finished, don't show it off to the public.
Aug 7 2007, 4:11 pm
In response to Smoko
Ok you have a point i was ahead of myself >.>
Aug 7 2007, 5:21 pm
In response to Lt. Pain
This is a terrible guide for people to learn from. I don't suggest anyone even bother looking at it. Hell even the "sample code" you provide is WRONG.

mob/verb/OOC(mst as text)
    world<<"[usr] has said:[mst]"
    return


First off MST should be MSG, second off you didn't need to use usr there, you could have used src. Third, you don't even need a return at the end of that.
Aug 7 2007, 5:40 pm
In response to Lt. Pain
As I haven't offered anything to the community, you're one step ahead of me. I highly appreciate the effort that went into it. As much as everyone else is downing you for this guide, I understood it, it's one of few/none walking through a few basic features of 4.00, and, (I am probably blind) but, I don't see anyone that's complaining about your guide having anything else out.

Although, I'm sure some of them are very good at Byond, (hell, anyone's bound to be better than I am) and their opinion should be respected. I long ago learned that negativity isn't very helpful. I also haven't found many other 4.0 guides, and I don't think I've seen any by the people that are giving you an outright 'yours sucks'.

Thanks for the guide, it can only get better from here. Keep it up. I'm sure others will find it helpful as well.
Aug 7 2007, 6:33 pm
In response to Trinkit
It's nice that they want to help people out, but it's better for everyone that they don't. Once they know what they are talking about completely, then it's fine.
Aug 7 2007, 7:00 pm
In response to Smoko
That's when useful and constructive criticism comes into play. Simply saying don't, or downing someone for their efforts is a good way to make people lose interest entirely.

With how little stuff there is for BYOND, any guide is more valuable then not having one at all. As he's stated it's a work in progress and will get better.

Saying someone can't offer advice until they know something completely is... a tiny bit silly me thinks. When beginner's offer advice to eachother, yes, sometimes it's wrong. However, they often learn together.

Something is indeed better than nothing. Especially in BYOND's case.
Aug 7 2007, 7:48 pm
In response to Trinkit
Meh it seems hard, but if you keep looking at what's been laid out; it pretty much speaks for itself..A guide isn't really neccessary; I thought that much at first, but I kept looking at what's out now, and its pretty simple.
Aug 7 2007, 7:49 pm
In response to Revenant Jesus
Revenant Jesus wrote:
First off MST should be MSG, second off you didn't need to use usr there, you could have used src. Third, you don't even need a return at the end of that.

While your last point is valid, your first two are not.
Aug 7 2007, 7:54 pm
In response to Mecha Destroyer JD
It's not that it's hard, it's just someone taking any effort to help others should be appreciated, encouraged, and assisted. I'm also just pointing at the fact that details on BYOND are few and far between.

As well, just cause it's not hard for you, doesn't mean that there are others that it isn't a more difficult concept to grasp. :)

The more helpful material that's available, the more likely it is someone will find something that speaks to them on a level they are able to understand.
Aug 7 2007, 8:01 pm
In response to Trinkit
I'm sorry but I'd have to disagree..Only someone who's experienced should help(not referring to this case), otherwise it would further confuse people rather than help. And hwat I meant by the programming being simple is just that; once you look over it a few times, you realize that it wasn' hard at all. People could be patient and wait for the "best" help from the Dream Makers post, but those anxious to get somethin done(probably the majority) should try experimenting until you get somethin to work right..From what I've heard, testers had even less to work with..
Aug 7 2007, 8:09 pm
In response to Mecha Destroyer JD
That's fine :)

Not everyone sees things the same way.
Aug 7 2007, 9:29 pm
In response to Trinkit
No. They should be told stop, and they should stop and remove it immediately. I'll give you an example why.

Person A doesn't know much, and write a guide to teach others.

Person B notices mistakes and points them out.

Person A then fixes mistakes

Person C who knows even less than Person A sees the guide and seeks Person A for help.

Person A who doesn't yet understand completely gives Person C help because they are nice, and want to share info.

Person C listens to person A's advice and then learns wrong, possibly ruining their motivation to keep their project going after getting lots of weird errors.
Aug 7 2007, 9:38 pm
In response to Smoko
As stated with Mecha, I'll simply disagree and move on. We could argue till doomsday about it.
Aug 7 2007, 11:11 pm
In response to Revenant Jesus
Revenant Jesus wrote:
This is a terrible guide for people to learn from. I don't suggest anyone even bother looking at it. Hell even the "sample code" you provide is WRONG.

> mob/verb/OOC(mst as text)
>     world<<"[usr] has said:[mst]"
>     return 
>

First off MST should be MSG, second off you didn't need to use usr there, you could have used src. Third, you don't even need a return at the end of that.

---

Your attitude stinks, firstly, if he wants to put mob/verb/OOC(IMSAYINGSUMTHINGNOW as text) it will make no difference what so ever. Secondly, he can use "usr" there, because it's a verb, verbs will only ever be called by the usr, therefore, he's perfectly entitled to use "usr". Thirdly, he doesn't need a return there no, you're right, but will it make the slightest bit of difference? No. Are you trying to be negative for the sake of being negative? Yes.

K, Thanks... Bye.
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