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It's not as bad as I once thought, nothing really has crashed so far (I've been using it for around two hours)

I still like Ubuntu though.
(I am using Vista for School / College)
What are some of the Vista programs that I need?
(Spyware for Vista, Registry Cleaner for Vista, etc.)
vista is solid for running fine, but youll notice hardware drivers wont be available for things you expected. Like my freaking new HP printer. Some companies dont feel like getting drivers out for a new version of windows. Like my TV tuner on my Radeon 9800 didnt work. So i dont use my vista. Also i host sometimes, and vista eats up memory for luxory features i dont use.
Wolf in sheep's clothing.

http://www.badvista.org
In response to PirateHead
Get out of here you Linux fanatic. I've used Vista and its perfectly fine for the average end user. I'm not going to get into a debate over which OS is the best as no one changes their mind and its a great waste of time. If you don't have anything constructive to add or aren't going to answer his question, don't post in the thread.

There isnt that much Vista specific software apart from maybe Anti-Virus so get that and an update to date spyware tool and you should be set. Get the latest drivers from each manafacturer as well as Windows Vista does update the drivers for you but it takes quite a while for them to go onto Windows Update so there may be newer ones on the manufacturers site.
In response to Critical
It isn't about Linux fanaticism -- and there are equally free alternatives to Linux as well, such as Haiku and Solaris.

It's about getting the word about about exactly what is wrong with Vista, and what the average computer user can do about it.

This I admit: Vista does pretty much everything the way that most people want it to. It runs programs pretty well. It's fairly stable. it is pretty. It will probably be the most used operating system on desktops and laptops worldwide within a few years. It does more or less what people have come to expect Windows to do.

This is the proverbial sheep's clothing. Microsoft is sneaking it onto your computer by saying "Seriously guys, it's just an improved Windows platform!"

Rather than try to explain what is wrong with Vista, and why it is in fact not an improvement, I encourage everybody who reads this to visit the BadVista campaign's website, where many well-written articles on the subject are posted to and linked to. All in all, they reveal what Vista really is: a wolf, poised to strike at the heart of what computer users TRULY expect: to be in control of their computers, and to own a machine that does what they want it to do.

That's what I mean by "wolf in sheep's clothing". It may look like good ole' Windows, with the few hiccups, bugs, and security vulnerabilities that we've come to expect over the years. But in fact, it's something much more sinister and threatening. More info at BadVista.
In response to Critical
Critical wrote:
Get out of here you Linux fanatic.

What the heck is up with you?
You shouldn't attack people just because they think another option is better, that's how Hitler came about! YOU DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE HITLER DO YOU!?
In response to PirateHead
Seriously man. I think you're cool but this constant windows-bashing linux-promoting is getting really old.

We get it- windows sucks. Every windows user knows that. We all know we'd be far better off running some linux variant.

The only thing that changes my mind when I think about installing linux on my PC? You guys. The people who constantly send this stream of pro-linux propaganda (let's face it, your preaching is just as bad as an advert for MS and if you deny that then you'd be deluded) our way... how does it feel to be the digital equivalent of jehova's witnesses? =P

I know linux users who are quiet and go about their business without bothering me. They'll answer my questions about linux and talk about how they prefer it to windows. But they don't have this weird, self-righteous campaign every time the word "windows" is mentioned to try and convert any non-believers. Those kind of of linux users are good.
On the other hand, those who are irritatingly vocal about linux hurt their precious cause, not further it.

It's a bit like all those people who rant about vegitarianism being the only moral option in terms of food. It just makes me want to take yet another bite out of my big, juicy steak.
In response to Flame Sage
Flame Sage wrote:
Critical wrote:
Get out of here you Linux fanatic.

What the heck is up with you?
You shouldn't attack people just because they think another option is better, that's how Hitler came about! YOU DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE HITLER DO YOU!?

You're comparing me to Hitler? Real funny...
The reason I get on the attack is because no matter what the situation someone seems to be able to throw in something about swapping to Linux. We get it, you love Linux so much you want you to do it and then have little Nerdy Linux babies but most of us what something that just works. Now I won't go on as I'll start what I initially pointed out that I was trying to avoid.
In response to Flame Sage
Godwin's law wins again.
In response to Critical
Critical wrote:
Flame Sage wrote:
Critical wrote:
Get out of here you Linux fanatic.

What the heck is up with you?
You shouldn't attack people just because they think another option is better, that's how Hitler came about! YOU DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE HITLER DO YOU!?

You're comparing me to Hitler? Real funny...
The reason I get on the attack is because no matter what the situation someone seems to be able to throw in something about swapping to Linux. We get it, you love Linux so much you want you to do it and then have little Nerdy Linux babies but most of us what something that just works. Now I won't go on as I'll start what I initially pointed out that I was trying to avoid.

I ain't no Linux fanatic, I'm 100% Windows.

And I command you to shut the hell up. Its his choice, he can do whatever he wants.
In response to Critical
You're correct that many Linux users really love their favorite distro, similarly to how Apple fan boys really love OS X; but this isn't a comparison of Windows to Apple to Linux distribution X or Y. I don't see how pointing out a hidden major danger in an important new software package makes me a crazy Linux evangelist, and there is not even a trace of "Windows sucks and doesn't work" going on here, so screaming loudly about how Windows "just works" is irrelevant to what I'm saying.

Vista is the beginning of a huge movement towards Windows software that places restrictions, motivated by politics and money rather than any technical issues, on its user base. It's the beginning of a future where Microsoft, not the computer owner, determines the bounds within which your computer can operate.

What I'm asking readers here, (and what I'm asking you personally, Critical) is "are you okay with that?". If you could care less who is truly in control of your computer as long as you can still look at pr0n, play games, and use Microsoft Word, then that says something. If it stirs some uneasiness in you, then you have you ask "what can I do about it?".

I'll get it out of the way fast: you could switch to 100% free software. Go, as they say, cold turkey. Cut Microsoft completely out of your life.

"Wait a damn second", you say. That's drastic. That's inconvenient. No way I'm going to go through with that. Quit being a damn Linux fanatic.

Fine, Elation. Fine, Critical. That's all I'll say about Linux, or any operating system other than Windows. We're now totally within win32 territory.

First, you have an advantage because you now know there is a danger. You now will have cause to think, every time a new restrictive "feature" is added to Windows, about how that feature is affecting your freedom and privacy. Just having the knowledge empowers you, without any drastic changes.

Then, you can start adopting open standards one by one. Try Firefox as a replacement for IE. Try Abiword and Gnumeric as replacements for Word and Excel, respectively -- or try OpenOffice as a wholesale replacement for Microsoft Office.

Convert the data most important to you to free formats -- start with your music library, for example. FLAC is an alternative to lossless WMA or AAC, and Ogg Vorbis is an alternative to mp3. Ogg Theora is an alternative to WMV and AVI video formats. Word documents can easily be translated into the international standard Open Document Format.

This really is an easier approach than complete transition away from Windows. You still have the operating system you're familiar with, and you can install and test these new options while still having your other programs on standby in case something fails.

And, most importantly, when the day eventually comes that you want to get out of Microsoft land, the switch will be much less burdensome. If you already use free formats and are already accustomed to free applications, then using those same formats outside of win32 land will be a relatively simple task. You won't be subject to the lockdown and technological tyranny that will be experienced by most Windows users. You will get out cleanly while others struggle. And, if the day to abandon ship never comes, you have lost nothing by using free software on Windows, but have rather gained an expanded view of what software is available.

It's about freedom -- if you don't fight for it, you will lose it. Full stop.
In response to PirateHead
Sounds nice.

I have Vista myself because that is all they had on the laptops. I will use it until it screws up, then to Linux.

And I use mostly free software in the first place as I am cheap, so it is not too bad for changing.
In response to PirateHead
The wall of text makes you crazy
In response to Elation
Elation wrote:
The wall of text makes you crazy

nuff said.
In response to Critical
but most of us what something that just works.

Why are you using Windows, then?
In response to Jp
Jp wrote:
but most of us what something that just works.

Why are you using Windows, then?

Well duh, because It does. Last time I tried to use Linux i spent over 12 hours trying to get a wireless network card to work and then said screw it and went back to Windows and it was detected straight away. I have no need to swap to a different OS as Vista/XP serve me fine. I have a DX10 card so when DX10 games come out I'll need Vista and I'd rather not have to play things through Wine/Cedega as some games are already fiddly enough due to bad coding and adding another level of fiddlyness isn't something that I really want to use.

Linux is completely different to Windows in so many aspects, and at the moment there are so many people who have a hard enough time as it is using Windows, I doubt you'll ever get everyone to swap and making people understand why Windows is apparently bad will never work because either people wont listen or wont care.

I have a Webcam, USB TV Tuner Card, 2 Monitors, G15, WiiMote Scripts, Bluetooth, and I have a DX10 card. It'd take probably take me a month just to get the drivers I need installed and even then theres probably some of my devices that will never work due to them being older and having to linux drivers. You provide me with an OS that plugs and plays pretty much most devices I have, and lets me play games without having to install a third party emulation application and plays HD-DVD movies I'll jump aboard.

I will post no more as it'll just turn into a giant debate with no side having a clear winner, what I'm saying is that if you want people to listen don't just shove it in front of there faces over and over again and except them not to get annoyed. You have no idea how many people are getting sick of the *bla bla* Linux is great *bla bla* stuff you guys keep pushing. It's nauseating to say the least.
In response to Critical
Windows is good in its own ways. Linux is good in other ways. That sums it up.
In response to PirateHead
Hey pirateguy, I've wanted to try linux for a while, but I'm stupid, and too lazy to find out how you get it. Mind explaining it to me?
In response to Critical
I could argue the same point against Windows. My laptop works 99% on Linux stock, and only requires me to install a graphics driver. Windows, however, requires a driver for the Wifi, the graphics, the touch pad, the ethernet, the special media keys, and many of the function keys.

As you can see, Windows has the exact same problem as Linux. More often than not, Linux natively supports hardware before Windows. Linux does suffer from lack of 3rd party driver support, but it is better at first party drivers. It's give and take. However, this is getting much better rather quickly. Linux is catching up with Windows on 3rd party driver support, and still has it beat in first. With companies like Dell jumping on the Linux boat, it's just a mater of time. Dell alone brings a lot of extra driver support(They use a wide range of hardware, and many of the drivers go cross-manufacturer).
In response to Zapno
I would not mind giving some explanations and pointers, but you'll have to give up laziness at least enough to give me an email. =D

piratehead c/o gmail dot com
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