In response to Xzar
Xzar wrote:

So linux may very well have DRM in the kernel one day, for better or worse.

I will eat you

~Kujila
In response to Kujila
I think I'll stick with Windows XP until they stop supporting it.
In response to Disturbed Ninja
Which will be a total of 2 weeks.
In response to Flame Sage
From your experiences, how much memory does it take to run Vista (with all of the eye candy) comfortably?
I want to run Vista without any slowdowns. :)
I'm buying a computer with 2GB memory.
But I am thinking of putting linux as my main OS, and then using VMWare to run Vista, is this a good idea? :/
(That's why I want to know how much memory vista will use, but I do want it to run full speed.)
In response to Flame Sage
I wouldn't use vista yet its pretty buggy and with vmware i think it would be totally crap like running XP on a commodore 64 (if it was possible :P)
In response to Flame Sage
Flame Sage wrote:
From your experiences, how much memory does it take to run Vista (with all of the eye candy) comfortably?
I want to run Vista without any slowdowns. :)
I'm buying a computer with 2GB memory.
But I am thinking of putting linux as my main OS, and then using VMWare to run Vista, is this a good idea? :/
(That's why I want to know how much memory vista will use, but I do want it to run full speed.)

Building a nice PC and putting Linux on it is a huge waste.

If anything duel boot or just put Linux on your current computer.
In response to Repiv
Meh.
I might keep Vista, not sure.
VMWare doesn't really take a hit on speed wise, it all depends on how much memory you feed it.

Why would putting Linux as the Main Operating System be a waste!?
In response to Flame Sage
If you built a nice PC and you want to be able to play games on it, I suggest making a partition for Vista and a partition for an actual operating system. You can run Wine to get Windows productivity stuff without dual booting -- but for gaming, you want Windows running on the bare metal.
In response to PirateHead
Noes O_O
No dual booting!
I must either have Vista within Ubuntu, or JUST Vista!
In response to Flame Sage
Why the hell would you use vista? Especially in a virtual machine?
In response to Flame Sage
1 GB w/ Aero is acceptable, 2 GB is a lot better.

Not touched anything with more than 2, so I couldn't say.

~Kujila
In response to CaptFalcon33035
CaptFalcon33035 wrote:
Xzar wrote:
Many report that it is in fact faster.

Maybe it's because Microsoft requires you to have 512MB RAM. It's probably not all being used by the OS, maybe it's just something to make Vista seem faster. So those without it are upgrading to get Vista. They're probably getting double the required RAM, thinking Vista will use the other half. Vista could run just as fast as XP, maybe even a little slower. It's just an idea, though, so don't quote me.

Dude! We got Vista down to 127mb or RAM while idle! We can throw that 128mb RAM requirement on it now! Nevermind the fact that users will have to wait forever while things are loaded in and out of virtual memory for everything.

/sarcasm.

Just like XP can be run with less than the minimum requirement of 64mb ram, vista will also, you will just find it to be quite slow depending exactly how low you go. With 512mb, you should get pretty smooth performance and be able to have quite a bit going on before you really start relying on Virtual memory.

Theres also the sort of hidden reasoning; not screw over people buying prefab computers. 512mb+all the crap that comes on it will be slow enough for them.. God help them if they were being sold with 256 or less.
In response to Nick231
Well, what about XP? How much RAM do I need to say...
Run BYOND+Windows XP without any slowdowns on a virtual machine (since thats about all im going to use it for, and no, don't tell me to use WINE) :)
In response to Flame Sage
Well, if you have enough, try to give it 512mb. I strongly recommend no less than 256mb. And you wont be playing any video games on it.

XP and 2000 both do VERY well in an emulated environment, especially while not using Microsoft's own virtual machine(That thing sucks). I recommend using 2000 instead of XP because it is lighter on the RAM and CPU requirements.
In response to Danial.Beta
I just did a research assignment in my Computer Systems class today on it. It just sounded like a small improvement on XP, with a few more flashy features. I also found a nice little parody of it:

Windows Vista = Viruses Intruders Spyware Trojans and Adware
In response to Danial.Beta
Danial.Beta wrote:
Well, if you have enough, try to give it 512mb. I strongly recommend no less than 256mb. And you wont be playing any video games on it.

XP and 2000 both do VERY well in an emulated environment, especially while not using Microsoft's own virtual machine(That thing sucks). I recommend using 2000 instead of XP because it is lighter on the RAM and CPU requirements.

Well, all I really want to run is BYOND, I heard about 1GB of memory would be good for doing basic tasks.
Okay, me and pineapple_rock (defunct) went to a computer shop and they gave us a personal Vista presentation. It was slick and awesome. Pricey, but awesome.

Pineapple_rock says: "I wanted to hate it, but it looked pretty good".

So it must be good
I've played with the Ultimate edition some, and it seems to run pretty smoothly on my system. Here's some stats to give a little perspective on how it compares to XP:

My system: 3.0 GHz P4, 1 GB DDR400 RAM (though I think it's running at DDR333 for some reason), Radeon X800 GTO 256MB AGP.

Vista install time: 30 minutes

XP boot time: ~25 seconds
Vista boot time: ~35 seconds

Memory usage:
XP (XP theme, best appearance settings): 275MB RAM / 210MB Page
XP (Classic theme, best performance settings): About the same.
Vista (Aero theme, best appearance settings): 385MB RAM / 450MB Page
Vista (Classic theme, best performance settings): 350MB RAM / 400MB Page

Overall it's pretty neat, but nothing extraordinary. I would call it "XP Plus". You definitely want at least a gig of RAM for it (though I think any PC enthusiast should've had a gig two years ago). It seems to take 2K/XP drivers fine, but it still has some software compatibility issues (couldn't get ATI Tray Tools to run. BYOND runs fine! Nuts to the people that wanted Dantom to make it work on Vista beta).
If anybody is interested I can install Oblivion and CS: Source on both OSes and post some comparisons on how they run.
In response to Cinnom
Cinnom wrote:
If anybody is interested I can install Oblivion and CS: Source on both OSes and post some comparisons on how they run.

That would be a great idea. Something tells me that games aren't going to do as well for Vista. HL2 has a sort of benchmark built into it, so I would try that out to see what types of numbers you get.
In response to Danial.Beta
Yeah, I'm interested too, if only for the kind of morbid curiosity you get when you see a dead body after a car accident.
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