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 Jul 20 2005, 12:53 pm
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Why is linux better than windows.
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Jul 20 2005, 12:54 pm
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Ol' Yeller
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And here we wait for the digitalmouse to approach the dangerous topic, and talk about its natural habitat...
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Linux-
Is alot more cleaner than windows. Linux's internet "thing" is alot faster, mainly because theres not so many background processes boging it down. It's almost impossable to get spyware and viruses, because it's so well protected. Mostly because 99% of viruses / spyware are WRITTEN for windows. Even though it does not have functionablity yet from core programs (BYOND) people at WINE (winehq.com) are working on making a windows emulator, which mimics windows "launches programs" It is an EXELENT source to host on, because it doesn't have as many processes to bog it down. (I hosted DMO once, never lagged my players, and I had about 40 people on.) Even though BYOND is text mode only, I would still sugest linux. Here's a screenshot of what an average game looks like. It might be harder to install things, but for the most part, I like linux better.  ^ Click There Of course as you can see it looks alot cleaner. And to prove it, look at my processes running.  If we could only get BYOND's support behind linux... The main thing is security. Linux is ALOT harder to hack than windows. (let's let digi talk about this subject. =) ) If you were to switch to linux, I would perfer puppy (it's newbie friendly, and I can also help you with it. I run on puppy-power!! =) [EDIT: It's true, you CAN install things on puppylinux.] | |
the only thing holding me back is i spend alot of my free time on byond and i probably wouldnt play byond if it wasnt graphical.
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Interesting question. The basic reason is security and open sources. But I think the most important part is standards. Linux has them, windows does not.
A lot of people will tell you stability, but these people have not messed with XP enough, XP is very stable, but lacks viable standards to run with. Microsoft likes to use "Closed Standards" for most of there products. Now look up those two words, see any problems with that term? It is not possible! Linux runs on standards made by people who have worked with computers thier whole life, and share thier standard with other people. Another major contrast is moron-proof vs moron-free. You can guess which OS goes with which term. Microsoft designes thier products for the lowest common denominator, but doesn't leave the ally open for the highest. Linux used to be the other way around, but it is slowly allowing for anyone to use it. I would not say that Linux is better than Windows, but I prefer Linux, it allows me to do what I want with my computer, as apposed to windows, which trys to prevent me from changing anything on my computer. I run a dual boot system, with winXP on one harddrive, and Fedora Core 3 on another. I like my Fedora, but the lack of commercial grade games for Linux puts me back into windows most of the time. Most Linux fanatics hate windows system of drive letters, but I actualy like it. It creates a very easy to navigate map of all drives. Linux does not use drive letters, I know this may be hard to imagin. It uses one folder called root, or better known as / . This one folder contain every other folder, even if the other folder is not on the root folders drive. You can mount harddrives and cddrives to any folder. So if I wanted my cd to be mapped to my home folder(kinda like my documents in windows) I could have a nice little folder called CD_Rom and be able to access my cd from there. All together, I feel they are equal, but only because more developers don't move to linux. If about 50% of the games I have moved to linux, I would run linux 90% more. | |
Well, there is wine (http://winehq.com) but it's still a little glitchy (I got it to work with Dream Maker, once after I fooled around with it, it worked pretty good, untill you went to edit icons, then it crashed, but heck, it's better than nothing.)
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I'm going to go, and say it is not better!. Yes thats right. The upside to linux is that people that use it know what they are doing. While the vast majortory of windows users are compleatey clueless about how a computer works. With linux you generaly have to self install software by going into the root account as it defults to a limited account. Windows as we all know always make you an admin user unless you change it. (which will brake a lot of software such as games, software programers are lazy :P)
here a quick brakedown from my point of view as a user of both: Windows: Very clueless user base Very stable lots of pay-for software lots of free software (however they are genaraly ad supported ,spyware infested, or a virus) some open-source software (spyware free!!!) Can be locked down tight linux: Very intelligent user base Very stable Little pay-for software Lots of opensource software little to no virus little to no spy-ware very locked down out of the box | |
Flame Sage wrote:
Well, there is wine (http://winehq.com) but it's still a little glitchy (I got it to work with Dream Maker, once after I fooled around with it, it worked pretty good, untill you went to edit icons, then it crashed, but heck, it's better than nothing.)My bro had max payne running on wine pretty good... Than again I don't think byond is coded that great... You probably could get it to play most games if you tinker with it. | |
(Thats what the previous post is in BYOND features, the WINE project)
Anyway, I can't even get BYOND to LOAD UP. So playing games might be out of the question ^.^ Does your brother have linux? | |
Scoobert wrote:
If about 50% of the games I have moved to linux, I would run linux 90% more. I agree. Except like... If about 90% of the games I have moved to linux, I would run linux 90% more. =P ~Kujila | |
Heck, if BYOND moved to linux.
I would be on linux 100% of the time! (Not like I already ain't, but I still use my moms computer for BYOND) I know BYOND has textmode, but it just plain sucks half of the time.. This is what I see.. TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTaTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT | |
ok, this was amusing at first, but now i gotta stick my nose in and straighten out a few problems with this.
<font color="#0014b6">Xzar babbled: I'm going to go, and say it is not better!. Yes thats right. The upside to linux is that people that use it know what they are doing. While the vast majortory of windows users are compleatey clueless about how a computer works.</font> i think you insult the large Windows user-base. i know plenty of Windows daily users who are not clueless about the computer, and are more than capable of doing what needs to get done. on the flip side, i know plenty of Linux desktop users who have no clue. they just know enough to use the programs they need to get their job(s) done and that's it. and with modern distros of Linux, most of the Windows skills you know are easily transferrable to Linux desktops like KDE and Gnome. most desktops are also configurable to give you a 'windows-like' experience, without some of windows's problems. <font color="#0014b6">With linux you generaly have to self install software by going into the root account as it defults to a limited account.</font> you obviously don't keep up with Linux. most modern distributions of Linux provide software (often referrend to as 'packages') that are either pre-installed (saving you the time to do it yourself), comes with an installer not-unlike Windows, or is installed via a 'package-manager'- you just chose the software you want from a list, and the manager does the rest. only in cases where the developer does not work within the mainstream distros will you be required to 'install by hand' by compiling the program. but this is beginning to happen less and less. Linux is just as susceptable to viruses as any other operating system. the noticable difference is that linux developers and users tend to spot them a bit quicker and more-often-than-not a fix is available within a day or less. open source helps in this by 'laying everything out' for everyone to see and check and test. this prevents *some* kinds of sneaky activity (certainly not all), and promotes rapid bug fixes. a vigilant Windows user can lock-down their box just as well as a Linux user, provided they use the right tools which are only a download away. Most modern Linux distros come with these tools built-in, that's all. regarding games- someone mentioned that if 90% of games run on Linux, he would move to Linux. guess what? several of the major game makers (not all yet) have made Linux/Mac versions of their games already, or plan to do so. for those of us who cannot wait, there is Cedega at http://www.transgaming.com/ (formerly known as WineX, it was a derivative of the Wine project at one point in the past). using Cedega, there is an impressive number of Windows games that work 'out-of-the-box' on Linux - just look at http://www.transgaming.com/portfolio.php and http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/ that are available. some games miss a few elements (maybe a sound-pack does not work right, or graphics over a certain resolution are not available), but these are issues that are being worked on all the time. i would not say one OS or the other is better- just different. they are both very good at doing certain things. i use all three on a daily basis- WinXP-Home, several debian-based Linux distributions (the digitalBYOND server runs Ubuntu, my desktop runs MEPIS), and at work i enjoy MacOS X. all do their respective jobs well. | |
>>regarding games- someone mentioned that if 90% of games run on Linux, he would move to Linux. guess what? several of the major game makers (not all yet) have made Linux/Mac versions of their games already, or plan to do so. for those of us who cannot wait, there is Cedega at http://www.transgaming.com/ (formerly known as WineX, it was a derivative of the Wine project at one point in the past). using Cedega, there is an impressive number of Windows games that work 'out-of-the-box' on Linux - just look at http://www.transgaming.com/portfolio.php and http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/ that are available. some games miss a few elements (maybe a sound-pack does not work right, or graphics over a certain resolution are not available), but these are issues that are being worked on all the time.
WineX, now cedega, doesn't give me the performance I need. Also, in Counter-Strike, I cannot get my microphone working as an input device. I'll hafta' wait until Wine advances greatly or game developers open their eyes and start building games cross-platform. =) ~Kujila | |
i think you'll be waiting a while. development on Cedega is far more advanced and progressive than Wine is right now.
what kind of performance issues are you having? i use the 4.3.2 version of Cedega on a 1.3Ghz AMD box, and games like Half-Life/CounterStrike (pre-HL2, mind you), Warcraft III, and Max Payne (still have not finished that one yet.) run ok on my box. | |
nope- it's a commercial venture. that is interesting- maybe Cedega picked up on where Wine lagged in terms of getting BYOND to run. i notice there is no 'playability' rating though.
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