DarkView, you're my god.
All my base are belong to you.
The majority of my friends wouldn't be considered "goth" so to say. They are in the Emo category, quite possibly worse. They aren't being unique or creative. They are doing it because the music they listen to tells them to. The books they read tell them to. They do it for attention. I hate it, but I'm still their friend.
You think people hate goths? No people hate what goths think the stand for. They should pick up a dictionary sometime and get some definitions on the words they base their culture on. The non-conformist attitude they think they uphold is a joke. AT LEAST 2/3 of the kids at my school dress the same way they do, and they don't even listen to the music or read michael moore books. They did it to follow the trend. Now these kids have got themselves in a pickle. Maybe they should act like everybody used to before goth came along, maybe then they would be different again. | |
I just read this all, and people seem to be getting all worked up about this cutting thing, self-mutilation. I do not sympathize with your friend, and I do not care to. She is doing it for attention, and the more you gush about how you love her and don't want to see her go, the more she will do it.
How do I know she's doing it for attention? Becuase you know about it. If she was really just doing it because she liked it, you'd probably never know she was doing it. And if you did know, your little hugs and "iluvus" would probably be met with a swift one to the groin. Most people don't like to be patronized, unless they crave attention. The best thing you could do for her is to tell her to stop. Have you told her that yet? I don't mean saying, "I hope you stop," or "I wish people were nicer to you so you wouldn't have to do this," just tell her "Stop". And refuse to participate in her drama-queen indulgences. Cutting yourself doesn't feel good. It hurts. The only thing to make you think it's good if there is something more you gain from it than scars and ruined clothes. What does she gain? Friends like you pawing over her everytime she does it. She wants attention, plain and simple, giving it to her is only going to make things worse. Another way you can help is to tell her folks about it. That's right, tell her parents that she is cutting herself. If they already know and aren't doing something about it, tell the school councelor. She needs people who are aware of the situation and aren't going to hug her for being destructive, who aren't going to feed the monster she's created. Then try to find out the root of the problem yourself, and put your energies there. If she is being picked on, defend her, if she is being teased, kick somone's butt. Let her know in no small words that you care about her and how she feels, but will not tolerate this agressive behavior against herself. Believe me, in 20 years, when she's grown out of it, she'll despise the people that helped her to string the sickness along, like you, and praise the councelors and support she recieved from clear-headed people who knew what to do. You're no friend to her right now, you're just as bad as those people that tease her, if not worse. And don't even try to tell me I don't understand or don't know what I'm talking about. ~X | |
Thats like saying I can't declare smoking crack to be bad for you. Just because i've never smoked crack.
I'm sure there are alot of child therapists or young person mentors who can tell you that it is a psychological disorder. | |
im saying, theres no need for people to be depressed at this rate, teen suicide is way to high. Things are good in north american, this trend is very unhealthy and stupid. End it for christ sake.
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I think this thread is not for educating one about the ins and outs of cutting thineself, but "how not to use the edit button".
I've seen quadruple posts out there, guys! Come on. | |
Your right. I am a rotten person when it comes to society. That isn't an insult to me, I know I am.
Trust me. If I actually go as far as "hating" someone though, which I don't often do unless they are a truely bad human being, then I have a good reason to. | |
I can't stand jocks because nearly all the ones I have seen are stuck up, rude to everyone, and because they all get the "blonde preppie" girls, they think they are sooo cool. Uhnng.
However, i do realize that some jocks aren't all that bad. I have a friend who is a huge jock, but since he doesn't have the same personality as the a-hole jocks in my school... I don't call him a jock because that is what I use to refere to him :P I tend to call those jocks "Just athletic", because I automatically associate jocks with being rude a-holes. I am semi-athletic, I like to play sports like basketball and soccer, but I just don't have the time for them like other people do, but he is on like a sports team constantly, and always goes to the sports events. He is a big jock, but he is also very cool. Now that i think about it, all of the "jocks" from my school that I can't stand are the football players. I especially find that funny, since about 60 of them are complete bench-warmers. I seem to get aong with all of the basketball players. Man, another reason for me to absolutely hate football. | |
I understand where you are coming from and will take your advice though I know she isn't doing it for attention because lets face it who would want attention from me? anyways she isn't picked on at all it is the little things that bring her down. For example she got notably angry when I was talking to her and my friend and her friend knows every date of everything so i called my friend Ocd and my other friend flipped out >.> it made me a feel like an ass.
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That is why she has a therapist SHE IS MENTALLY UNSTABLE christ checks i never said it was right SHE CANT CONTROL IT what part of that dont you understand?
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Covering Fire wrote:
That is why she has a therapist SHE IS MENTALLY UNSTABLE christ checks i never said it was right SHE CANT CONTROL IT what part of that dont you understand? So...er, what was the point of this thread? Other than to tell everyone your friend is messed up, head-wise? (And whatever you try to say about already knowing she's insane, you're still in the wrong for giving her encouragement after she inflicts cuts on herself. You're reinforcing the anti-social behaviour, and therefore, you aren't a very good friend to her. You should leave her alone and stop spreading word of her incompetence.) | |
Im not spreading the word of this incompetence and I posted this thread about how people shouldn't hate goths and people n stuff. Anyways she doesn't know this is happening i decided to leave her oblivious to this she was sad today.
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Covering Fire wrote:
Im not spreading the word of this incompetence and I posted this thread about how people shouldn't hate goths and people n stuff. Anyways she doesn't know this is happening i decided to leave her oblivious to this she was sad today. Good, you best not tell her. Either way, I'm sure certain people have just as much reason to hate goths (and people, 'n' stuff) as you love them. Personally, I prefer to spend my time around people who aren't depressed (my ex was depressed, and I just got annoyed being around her), -so I'd probably be more inclined not to like your friend, regardless. | |
hmm... maybe you should show her this thread- then she'll know we are on to her evil plan for world domination and seek real help!
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digitalmouse wrote:
hmm... maybe you should show her this thread- then she'll know we are on to her evil plan for world domination and seek real help! I was told to get help too, I wrote this log: www.geocities.com/kholint/log.rtf (if it's a bad link, try /Log.rtf instead. But I made myself better through just NOT being stupid and making myself worse. But now I'm great! No more voices in my head! :) | |
People that make groups based on cutting themselves (More like lying about it.) is just a childish ignorant thing to do. The internet gives anyone the ability to do what they want, if they know how to do it. The internet doesn't have any laws, just consequences.
You should only believe someone cuts if you see the marks on their wrist. | |
Anyway, the answer to all three of your questions is "It doesn't matter." I am HUMAN. This gives me a basis for comparison to ANYBODY, ANYWHERE, on ANY SUBJECT.
If you disagree that being human qualifies us to do this... then get off the forum, get off the internet, and lock yourself in your room forever becuase you have just rendered the entire concept of interaction meaningless.
Because how can you talk to me? Are you me? Do you know what it's like to be me? Do you understand the unique challenges I face? You don't, so how can you presume to understand what I'm saying? By your logic, you can't... so stop trying! Get offline right now. Throw your computer away. There's no point to human interaction in the fantasy world you live in.
This is EXACTLY why your response is weak... nobody is saying they know everything on the subject. What YOU are saying is "If you don't know everything on the subject don't talk about it." Nobody knows everything about anything. Your friend doesn't know 1% of 1% about the subject of cutting. She could live to be a thousand years old and cut herself every day and she still wouldn't. That's the nature of knowledge.