ID:274837
 Aug 9 2002, 9:51 pm
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Apparently RaeKwon thinks he's got permission to spam me with useless floods every single time I log in. Now, is it just me or does that sound like a tall tale?
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I've set up my games to really mess with some people, it aplifies the damage they take by 10, turns them into furniture randomly, they have a 10% chance of dieing every 5 minutes, I've even been considering adding more.
One specific person is a chair when they log in... chairs can't move or talk or take any actions... sucks to be him... | |
Dareb wrote:
If its his games your logging into you have little recourse than to avoid his games , i remember someone saying something along that lines to me in the past when i said byond game hosts should be moderated. It's not lack of regulations that are the problem. If it's RaeKwon's server, he can spam anyone he likes within the game as long as it doesn't amount to a DoS attack against their connection. And if he spams on the pager, then he can be pager-banned. Simply avoiding the problem users like this is all anyone needs to do. The only place BYOND is lacking here is in putting out enough information to deal with these people. The pager needs work, in terms of limiting the size of pager messages (by the recipient's preference) and logging pages so they can see past a flood to who sent them such and such a page. The other place BYOND needs a little extra info is that games that appear on the hub should show who's hosting; currently they only show who's logged in. Lummox JR | |
well that would be a complicated and long time answer, when i give solutions i never say they are absolute or should be permanent.. just temporary while dantom makes this.
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Dareb wrote:
well that would be a complicated and long time answer, when i give solutions i never say they are absolute or should be permanent.. just temporary while dantom makes this. The problem with regulation as a solution is that regulations have a way of becoming permanent. Lummox JR | |
How is not going on servers if you don't like the host and pagerbanning anyone who floods you complicated? How would regulating server hosts not be complicated?
As far as Lummox JR's being being a long time solution... yes, yes it would be. It solves the problem forever. I'm very curious as to hearing what you think the regulations should be, how you think they should be enforced (I'm not talking about what the penalties would be, I mean literally, how do you enforce them. What's evidence, what isn't, whose word you take, who it is who's even taking words and handing out penalties, etc.), and so on. | |
Log them where?
Possibility #1: On a remote server? Continuous duplicate output doubles the amount of bandwdith use and accompanying lag, plus the cost of maintaining a remote server to store all these logs. Possibility #2: On each player's computer? Well, I've got another word for logs: TEXT FILES. A log isn't proof of anything. Look at this "log" from my Dream Seeker last night: <--(10:16 pm) Dareb: Hi, I just wanted to apologize for everything I've ever said. You were right about pretty much everything. Well, everything in its entirety really. There's no way to tell if this was generated by an actual pager message or if someone just typed it up. We could store the logs in a special format, but someone would eventually break that format and everyone would fake logs to get people into trouble. So, we have to come up with tougher encryption, which gets broken, spiral goes on and on. That, and we still haven't addressed the issue of who oversees these things, what penalties will be, what things will warrant penalties, how disputes are settled, etc., etc., etc. Isn't this an awful lot of work for a problem that could be solved by letting each host run his or her server according to his or her wishes (almost like, hey, it belongs to them or something!), not going into games hosted by people we don't get along with, and pagerbanning people who annoy us or spam us? | |
log sessions are compiled files in dream seeker, if you were truly intelligent you would know how to operate them.
its called a log session. simply put. try making one. | |
hah! thats nothing
i have a file that contained a list of people who will never ever play any game i ever make in my life again i have their contact information in the file, when i make a game, (which usually requires an email address to sign up), i block those people from playing you guys that are on the list, you should have never spammed in my games, tisk tisk | |
I know how to make them... I didn't ask how to make them. I asked would you use the clientside stored ones, or set up a dedicated server to hold them? If the latter one, we have bandwidth problems, if the former, we have security ones.
They aren't compiled or encrypted in any way, they're nothing more than html files, simple formatted text. Anyone can open them up with a text file and edit them to their hearts content. How do you prove something with an *.html file? Look at my "page" that I "logged" from you in my last post... if I put that into a log file, that "proves" that you apologized and admitted you were wrong, doesn't it? No, it doesn't. Log files are useful for reference, but if they're stored clientside, they prove nothing, which was my whole point. | |
That reminds me, whatever happened to that neat Medieval fantasy game you made =), it was great.
<<>>Kusanagi<<>> | |
Da_Rushyo wrote:
Apparently RaeKwon thinks he's got permission to spam me with useless floods every single time I log in. Now, is it just me or does that sound like a tall tale? -->(5:02 pm) Tom: Good morning Tom =) <--(5:03 pm) Tom: hullo -->(5:03 pm) Tom: Can i ask you a quick question? Or maybe you can eliminate it period? -->(5:03 pm) Tom: if you select everyone on your pager, hit ctrl and click a name, you can page everyone at once. <--(5:04 pm) Tom: go ahead -->(5:04 pm) Tom: Cool Thanks Tom :) There. Now drop this. RaeKwon | |
Oh well, suffer the hell you helped make, hopefully people will realize that byond needs regulations (and if you think this is dictating, take a look at your own governments laws, youll be pleasantly surprised to see there is no difference)