Shiny11100 wrote:

well that's one screwed up image of a forum, a forum is for people to discuss and debate, but the point isn't to try to make others look bad compared to you and make you look good compared to a god

A screwed up image of a forum is one where people post blatant lies and false or inaccurate information to the public, but anyone who knows otherwise doesn't correct them since he doesn't want to make them look bad, which they are doing themselves quite well already anyway.

isn't it acceptable that someone else in the world knows what they are talking about?

Naturally. For example, other than me, Pop here knows what he's talking about. :P

obviously i do because it was in the news and i watch the news ever day

But that has nothing to do with anything. I don't even watch the news everyday (not that this kind of stuff is on my news anyway) but apparently I'm still able to take part in debates.

seriously thats what i want to know!! why is it that we as humans have to scan every thread, every post, for slight problems that dont make any fricking DIFFERENCE!?!?!?!?!?!?

Seriously now, why do people have to throw tantrums about every little slight problems that don't make any fricking difference? Seriously.
At any case, you're doing what you're complaining about, in this topic, only you're doing it quite cluelessly.

WHY IS IT THAT NOBODY CAN ACCEPT THAT ANOTHER POST IS ACCEPTABLE IF WE OURSELVES DONT POST IT??? WHY IS THAT??? WHY IS IT THAT OTHER'S OPINIONS AREN'T ACCEPTABLE TO US???

This has nothing to do with the author of the post; if you spot a mistake, error, or false information, you ought to correct it.
Also, this is irrelevant here, but since you're mentioning it, it's completely possible and acceptable... not to accept someone's opinion. For example, some people believe not in the freedom of speech, and some people believe that people should blow themselves and other people up in name of their god and the 'holy war'. I do not accept their opinions.

the ACTUAL point of a forum is to ask questions to get them answered,

No, that's not all a forum is for. Forums are also called "discussion boards". Perhaps you ought to look up the definition or explanation somewhere if you're interested.

world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around the sun

Ah, no it doesn't. Only our Solar System revolves around our sun. :P It is quite selfish and ignorant for you to think the whole world revolves around your sun!

a forum thread that is just one big argumant:

A: benifits no one
B: in 2 years this argument wont even matter
C: nothing good would come out of this thread anyway because the question had no rellivence

Arguments can definitely beneficial. Well, maybe not if one or more sides doesn't use facts or proper grammar and spelling, but I'm talking generally.

A: no arguments so nobody looks like a jerk

If one guy posts a mistake, and another guy corrects it so the first guy and the future readers of the post don't believe false information, he isn't a jerk, since he's actually helping them. Of course, it's possible that they won't agree or accept it, but that's another thing.

B: no enemies are made so nobody is still mad over nothing

Seriously now, there is no reason to be mad over an internet argument. You care too much about everything if you're "making enemies" with random people you'll never meet and can be upset by them.
Like you said, "being mad over nothing". If someone is mad over nothing, it is more of their own problem.

D: you realize that the civil war started over an argument over slavery right? just an argument

You realize the civil war has nothing to do with this right?
A world without arguments would be a worse world. A lot of seemingly bad things in the world deserve it's place here. Yes, some don't.

Australia doesn't have an R rating for games at the moment. Anything classified over MA15+ is banned in our country. I have no doubt that GTA will spend a grand total of ten minutes on Australian retailer shelves before it's banned. And in the time, I'll grab me a copy.

The reason I'll grab me a copy is because I'm nineteen. I'm legally allowed to grab such a copy. And by law, where I work, it is illegal for me to sell or rent Grand Theft Auto to anyone under the age of 15 without a parent or guardian present. I law I abide by strongly.

Granted, I don't believe that video games make serial killers, I'm a perfect example that they don't. However, the younger generation is slowing getting more denser as time goes by, and no doubt, they are getting more impressionable.

You see groups of kids acting like gangs, even around my rural little city. No doubt if they got a hold of GTA 4, this would probably encourage their actions (currently assaulting innocent people who are walking home after a night on the town).

Fact of the matter is, GTA isn't suitable for most people under 15, to think otherwise, is just insane. There's nothing to say they're going to grow up serial killers, but they are impressionable, and I have no doubt some of their current morals will become questionable in the future: Are women sex objects? Is it okay to randomly assault someone? Stealing cars is cool?

Ah, no it doesn't. Only our Solar System revolves around our sun. :P It is quite selfish and ignorant for you to think the whole world revolves around your sun!

Sorry, couldn't help but correcting this one tiny portion of your post.
The world does revolve around the sun, as the world is part of our solar system. He didn't say universe, but world. World can be defined as the entire universe, but it's more common definition and usage refers to the planet Earth.

Shiny11100 wrote:

D: you realize that the civil war started over an argument over slavery right? just an argument

No, slavery was not the cause of the American Civil War.

Yes, this is off topic, but this thread was doomed from the very beginning, so it hardly matters.

Jamesburrow wrote:

Ah, no it doesn't. Only our Solar System revolves around our sun. :P It is quite selfish and ignorant for you to think the whole world revolves around your sun!

Sorry, couldn't help but correcting this one tiny portion of your post.
The world does revolve around the sun, as the world is part of our solar system. He didn't say universe, but world. World can be defined as the entire universe, but it's more common definition and usage refers to the planet Earth.

He said "world". He didn't use an article, such as "a world" or "the world". He also didn't capitalize it. While this could be mistaken for a grammatical error, as his posts are rife with them, it is obvious to me that he meant <font face=Courier New>world</font>, the DM data type. <font face=Courier New>world</font> doesn't revolve around anything since it is not an <font face=Courier New>atom</font>.

Mista-mage123 wrote:

And therefore restricts M-Rated content from BYOND Games...

BUT. What's this I see?

An advertisement for Grand Theft Auto 4? A M-Rated Game, certainly not for those of 13 years, on BYOND's Website?

I smell a lie...



You can make M-Rated games (such as porn, etc.) if you want, but it is not allowed on the HUB. You are allowed to link it via Pager to other players, though. If there were porn games on BYOND, I think it would attract more idiots then it would developers. This program is to help people to develop video games. If some person came to BYOND to learn how to develop video games, and saw a porn section, I doubt he would join. Maybe some little kids would flock here, but that would be bad.

I just think games to that extreme would ruin what BYOND really is, and I don't think the creators want that...

Kaioken wrote:

I don't think there's any rule or anything on that, but it may be allowed as long as there's no explicit language or images on the hub page itself and it clearly said that the game is for 18+ in big bold letters, etc (the game should also confirm the age itself). Oh, and it's hub, not HUB, it's a word not any abbreviation.

It is not a written rule, but the staff has already stated it awhile back when Strai made that Hentai game. It is not allowed on the hub but you can link the hosted server to other players.

Cavern wrote:

You can make M-Rated games (such as porn, etc.) if you want, but it is not allowed on the HUB. You are allowed to link it via Pager to other players, though. If there were porn games on BYOND, I think it would attract more idiots then it would developers.

You're confusing M with AO. BYOND already has games that might in some way merit an M.

Lummox JR

Kaioken wrote:

Nick231 wrote:

- Aside from the fact that kids under 17 often engage in violent activities that can sometimes result in there being blood... [...]

It doesn't matter, and I don't need to refer to all your points either. I think you'll agree the fact that some kids do these things is unwanted and does not mean those things are suitable for them.
Likewise, playing a game with those things can be considered unsuitable for kids.

Unsuitable, definitely. But society has changed and thats what its changed to. Doesn't make the points any less valid just because the slightly older generation finds it so. The stuff they do daily, kids the same age 10 years ago wouldn't even have thought of doing.

Games always take a lot of heat, but its really just people wanting to place the blame for the way our society is today. A game is a game.

Indeed. I didn't ever say I supported this (the current game ratings systems and restrictions), although it has some valid points. I only said I supported the GTA game rating in the current system, as I don't think a rating like Teen would be suitable in it.

It's a poor system really. The whole "Don't sell to kids under 17/18" doesn't work for crap. Over half the high school seniors (16-18 year olds) will have had alcohol socially at some point during the last 12 months in the US. You need to be 21 to purchase alcohol, they get it anyway. Age limits for a game aren't going to stop them. It's an all or nothing thing, either they need to not be made at all, or people that the ratings say its inappropriate for are going to end up with it.

Most people draw the distinction between it and real life.

It might still influence them. Nevertheless, this is the reason people (grown-ups) are allowed to play these kinds of games at all: they can differentiate between it and real life.
However, kids are generally not mature enough and may not draw the distinction properly. Also, kids are more prone to be affected and influenced by what they see in video games (/television, etc etc) and this can be bad for them or even those around them.
Therefore, society tries to prevent kids from playing uneducational games until they grow up enough.

True, but then you have mainstream media that basically takes Drugs, alcohol, sex, gangs, guns, etc. and says to those same easily influenced kids, and basically says its all cool. Hell, you can turn the radio on to some stations and get The entire controversial side of GTA games condensed in a 3 minute rap song. You don't see any restrictions on that though sadly.

I find this image deeply offensive. Men in spandex dying their hair!?
Baby Jesus is crying because of it!

That's it, I'm starting Mothers Against Goku. These images are poisoning our children!