And therefore restricts M-Rated content from BYOND Games...
BUT. What's this I see?
An advertisement for Grand Theft Auto 4? A M-Rated Game, certainly not for those of 13 years, on BYOND's Website?
I smell a lie...
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 Apr 18 2008, 8:26 am
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That's one of the good ones. BYOND's advertisement links are laughable at times.
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BYOND doesn't restrict M-rated content from games. Wherever did you get that idea?
BYOND's policy is undefined, but here's a basic summary: the site itself does not display material, if at all avoidable, that would be considered not-work-safe or unsuitable for children. The definition of "material" is important here. It's not what the ad is about, so much as it is the content of the ad itself. If the banner for Grand Theft Auto 4 included a picture of a naked (or scantily-clad) woman, or if it was advertising a sexual service (like buying foreign brides...), then yes, it would be rejected on the spot. If it were a bloody ad with a picture of a Russian mobster shooting holes through a stoolie, it'd also be rejected on the spot. However, the words "Grand Theft Auto IV" are not themselves unsuitable for children, and BYOND does have users who are mature enough to handle the game. You can actually make any game you want with BYOND, even the most perverse, disgusting thing you can imagine -- child porn, rape, murder, whatever you can think of. However, it wouldn't be allowed to be listed on the Hub (and, of course, your local laws would probably have something to say about it). | |
For an example, one of the reasons I'm not allowed to call you a mother *something*, is so small children don't read it, even though they use the word all the ****ing time. >:d
Oh, and no offense actually intended, just an example of course. | |
Mista-mage123 wrote:
And therefore restricts M-Rated content from BYOND Games... And? there are plenty of 18+ people here and therefor the advertisement isnt wasted, and its certainly not illegal to show advertisements of an M rated game to minors.. | |
You're kind of missing his point, it doesn't have anything to do with wasted advertising or legalism. He's complaining that there are some advertisements inappropriate for children, though his particular example is very weak; there have been posts about much worse ones (and Tom filtered them out, but unfortunately it has to be done manually for each one caught), while the BYOND site claims around it that it is good for kids too and they can also develop games, and all that.
OP: The ads are a problem, but it's not the BYOND Staff that puts those bad ones there. It's Google, and they don't offer good control to filter inappropriate content. However, I, for one, don't see any advertisements anyway, heh. :p | |
a few comments to this thread...
1: its just an advertisement, not the game itself 2: actually, i'm 13 and i have the first three GTA games and they are also M-rated and they're not that bad..they actually shouldn't be rated M...at least T but not M... 3: on this website there are many games that should be rated M 4: have you ever watched tv?? because there are shows rated TV-Y7, and those shows have commercials for that exact game during them... 5: HALO - HALO 2 - HALO 3 - CALL OF DUTY 4 - and many other games that are M-RATED have commercials during EDUCATIONAL TELEVISION... and CALL OF DUTY 4 was banned in some countries due to being the most violent game of all time, and that game does have commercials during almost EVERY TV-WHATEVER RATED SHOW!!! 6: it doesn't make any difference anyway because there are probably 8 or 9 year olds on here that lied about their age | |
Shiny11100 wrote:
2: actually, i'm 13 and i have the first three GTA games and they are also M-rated and they're not that bad..they actually shouldn't be rated M...at least T but not M... No, each definitely deserves an M rating. banned in some countries due to being the most violent game of all time Please. Gears of War is more violent than Call of Duty 4. Hell, Half-Life 2 is more violent, just for the fact that you can cut headcrab zombies in half with the saw blade. I've seen CoD4 being played, and it's tame. As far as I know, there aren't even gibs, making the original Doom fairly more violent. | |
Popisfizzy wrote:
Shiny11100 wrote: that's your opinion not mine...the games arent bad, they actually follow a realistic guideline banned in some countries due to being the most violent game of all time well that's also your opinion, apparently in the countries it was banned in that wasn't their opinion...and actually the first 3 CoDs are ok but 4 is based on modern warfare (it's even in the title) and the others are from like WWI and WWII so it is a lot more violent and if you dont believe that it was banned in some countries then WATCH THE NEWS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE!!!! well they wouldn't be still showing the story on the news but about a week before it came out they said that on the news... america's rating system is so screwed up, and alwase has been -origonal playstation game: roadrash rated-E then they came out with a second verson, and it was rated-T, but the only difference was the fact that the graphics were better- another screw up: HALO, HALO 2, HALO 3: rated-M and less violent then most T-rated games! metroid prime-gamecube-rated-T...Should be rated-M because i've seen games rated-M that actually are tame compared to this! oh and another question that i will probobly post in another thread now: why does every single thread in this forum have to be turned into a major argument anyways? isn't it acceptable that someone else in the world knows what they are talking about? seriously thats what i want to know!! why is it that we as humans have to scan every thread, every post, for slight problems that dont make any fricking DIFFERENCE!?!?!?!?!?!? WHY IS THAT??? HUH?? WHY??? WHY IS IT THAT NOBODY CAN ACCEPT THAT ANOTHER POST IS ACCEPTABLE IF WE OURSELVES DONT POST IT??? WHY IS THAT??? WHY IS IT THAT OTHER'S OPINIONS AREN'T ACCEPTABLE TO US??? | |
Shiny11100 wrote:
that's your opinion not mine...the games arent bad, they actually follow a realistic guideline Games that have sex, violence, theft, drugs, alcohol, and a plethora of other things certainly deserve an M-rating. well that's also your opinion, apparently in the countries it was banned in that wasn't their opinion...and actually the first 3 CoDs are ok but 4 is based on modern warfare (it's even in the title) and the others are from like WWI and WWII so it is a lot more violent and if you dont believe that it was banned in some countries then WATCH THE NEWS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE!!!! well they wouldn't be still showing the story on the news but about a week before it came out they said that on the news... Something being more violent than something else isn't opinion, it's fact. It is definitely more violent for a man to explode when you shoot him than just falling down and dying if you shoot him. Call of Duty 4 has no gibbing, as far as I can tell, and it is, as I said, tame compared to other games. A good example is Postal, but even Doom is more violent than it, and Doom was just pseudo-3D. oh and another question that i will probobly post in another thread now: why does every single thread in this forum have to be turned into a major argument anyways? That's the way forums are. People discuss and debate. isn't it acceptable that someone else in the world knows what they are talking about? Obviously you don't know what you're talking about when you call Call of Duty 4 the most violent game ever made. Half-Life 2, with zombies cut in half and antlions flying apart, is quite a bit more violent than Call of Duty 4. seriously thats what i want to know!! why is it that we as humans have to scan every thread, every post, for slight problems that dont make any fricking DIFFERENCE!?!?!?!?!?!? WHY IS THAT??? HUH?? WHY??? Posting in all caps with numerous and excessive puncutation does nothing but make you look like a childish thirteen-year-old. Because of this, I'm not even going to bother replying to the content. | |
Shiny11100 wrote:
that's your opinion not mine...the games arent bad, they actually follow a realistic guideline But you quite clearly don't know what you're talking about, and this isn't quite an opinion matter at all. The rating has nothing to do with being good, bad, or realistic. Despite being a GTA fan, I concur it deserves it's ratings, since there's nothing bad about it. Oh, and before you reply dismissing everything I've said with no reason, perhaps you should look up a GTA game's page on the ESRB site and see what it says on the reasons for the rating, and think whether it's justified or not. Though, as said already, the game itself is irrelevant to this discussion. Only an advertisement is shown, not the game itself or any offensive content. | |
Kaioken wrote:
perhaps you should look up a GTA game's page on the ESRB site and see what it says on the reasons for the rating, and think whether it's justified or not. http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp | |
Popisfizzy wrote:
Shiny11100 wrote: then so does nearly EVERY game in the world does well that's also your opinion, apparently in the countries it was banned in that wasn't their opinion...and actually the first 3 CoDs are ok but 4 is based on modern warfare (it's even in the title) and the others are from like WWI and WWII so it is a lot more violent and if you dont believe that it was banned in some countries then WATCH THE NEWS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE!!!! well they wouldn't be still showing the story on the news but about a week before it came out they said that on the news... no actually you are wrong...if you would WATCH the NEWS you would know that it was banned in many countries due to violence, and all but 1 of those countries have never banned any games before, and if CoD4 is tame compared to other games, and if GTA4 is so bad, then why was it CoD4 that was banned and not GTA4? oh and another question that i will probobly post in another thread now: why does every single thread in this forum have to be turned into a major argument anyways? well that's one screwed up image of a forum, a forum is for people to discuss and debate, but the point isn't to try to make others look bad compared to you and make you look good compared to a god isn't it acceptable that someone else in the world knows what they are talking about? obviously i do because it was in the news and i watch the news ever day seriously thats what i want to know!! why is it that we as humans have to scan every thread, every post, for slight problems that dont make any fricking DIFFERENCE!?!?!?!?!?!? WHY IS THAT??? HUH?? WHY??? well that just proves that you yourself are childish by trying to make others look bad and you look more then perfect... you just dont get it do you? the ACTUAL point of a forum is to ask questions to get them answered, and help others that have asked questions by answering questions that they asked, not turning they're question into a major argument. what you dont realize is that the world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around the sun, and actually think of this: in 2 years: a forum thread that is just one big argumant: A: benifits no one B: in 2 years this argument wont even matter C: nothing good would come out of this thread anyway because the question had no rellivence a forum thread that has a rellivent question and no arguments: A: no arguments so nobody looks like a jerk B: no enemies are made so nobody is still mad over nothing C: the origonal question is answered so the poster is happy D: you realize that the civil war started over an argument over slavery right? just an argument | |
Shiny11100 wrote:
then so does nearly EVERY game in the world does Only very recently no actually you are wrong...if you would WATCH the NEWS you would know that it was banned in many countries due to violence, and all but 1 of those countries have never banned any games before, and if CoD4 is tame compared to other games, and if GTA4 is so bad, then why was it CoD4 that was banned and not GTA4? I'm sure the fact that these are Islamic countries and that you kill Muslims in several in-game missions are only a coincidence well that's one screwed up image of a forum, a forum is for people to discuss and debate, but the point isn't to try to make others look bad compared to you and make you look good compared to a god The purpose of a debate is to make your stance look like the better one, which involved making the other person's stance seem worse. That involves degrading their stance, so a big DUH! goes out to you. obviously i do because it was in the news and i watch the news ever day If you watched the news everyday you would be well aware that the reason this game was banned was for the depiction of the death of Muslims. well that just proves that you yourself are childish by trying to make others look bad Skippy, I'm not trying to make other people look bad. You're doing it yourself by making inane posts and remarks in all caps and using excessive punctuation. You would look just as ridiculous if I had ignored it all together. and you look more then perfect... you just dont get it do you? the ACTUAL point of a forum is to ask questions to get them answered, and help others that have asked questions by answering questions that they asked, not turning they're question into a major argument. Many questions are answered through argument. You don't seem to understand the concept that an argument isn't a bad thing. It only starts becoming bad when names are thrown around and the whole thing loses its value. It's also rather useless when one side sticks to a stance that is poorly informed. what you dont realize is that the world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around the sun Oh, wow, I'm sorry, I didn't know you could get into my head and know that I think the world revolves around me (which I don't). I probably have more perspective on how insignificant each and every one of us is than most people, just because if their blind ignorance. , and actually think of this: in 2 years: a forum thread that is just one big argumant: If it benefits no one, then why do you bother to argue? By your own logic, you are performing the very useless act that you deride others for, making you a hypocrite. If this is the superior stance, and you are aware of it, then why do you take the inferior route? a forum thread that has a rellivent question and no arguments: You don't understand one basic thing about arguments: arguments don't exist purely to make another person look like a fool. In fact, in a good argument neither side will look like a fool. With a good argument, the general awareness and intelligence of a group is increased, as they have arrived at a better solution. Also, you're poorly informed. Only a small part of the Civil War was over slavery. It was largely over economics and issues on how to properly run government. Slavery came into the spotlight with the Emancipation Proclamation, an that was only for slaves in the states of the Confederacy. Slaves in Union states were not freed. | |
Shiny11100 wrote:
no actually you are wrong...if you would WATCH the NEWS you would know that it was banned in many countries due to violence, and all but 1 of those countries have never banned any games before, and if CoD4 is tame compared to other games, and if GTA4 is so bad, then why was it CoD4 that was banned and not GTA4? GTA4 would almost certainly be banned in those countries as well, if not because of the violence, then because of the ability to solicit prostitutes for one of three possible sexual activities. =P | |
BYOND does not restrict M-rated content from the games, just look at Murder Mansion.
However, I think BYOND should rate games, like G for games for everyone, G10 for games for kids 10 and up, 13 for games that would be rated T, and A for games that would be rated M. | |
Armiris wrote:
BYOND does not restrict M-rated content from the games, just look at Murder Mansion. Its totally unrealistic to do this for anything except the games published in the official guilds and then only BY the official guilds. Ratings assigned by authors or players are very likely to be unreliable, and there's no way that any reasonable number of staff could go through and rate all the games out there. | |
Mista-mage123 wrote:
And therefore restricts M-Rated content from BYOND Games... An interesting question. Where indeed did you even "see" any claim that we cater to 13-year-olds (as opposed to merely having a lot in attendance) or that we restrict M-rated content, or indeed that ESRB ratings are even relevant to BYOND? An advertisement for Grand Theft Auto 4? A M-Rated Game, certainly not for those of 13 years, on BYOND's Website? It's kind of difficult for something someone told you to be a lie if they never told you any such thing. There has to be a statement for that statement to be a lie. Lummox JR | |
What are you posting that in reply to me for, I know why GTA gets it's rating. :P It was an assignment for Shiny to try to be informed before he posts. Besides, you've linked to the wrong page. :P
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ search.jsp?titleOrPublisher=Grand%20Theft%20Auto&searchType= title So Shiny, in GTA4 there is- Intense Violence, Blood, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Partial Nudity, Use of Drugs and Alcohol So you're saying that is suitable for kidz under 17? Come on. Following the ratings, you probably shouldn't even have played a GTA game. | |
I smell that Google gives crappy control over which advertisements are displayed.