OMG Convicts

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Apr 1 2007, 9:59 am

One of the newest things they are talking about where I live down south is the new thing they are doing with convicts. Apparently a few jails and even prisons are taking on this new thing, where they allow the convicts to go outside for a few hours at a time to go work jobs.



This benefits the convicts because not only do they get to leave their cell for awhile, but they do it a little pay for it. Not only that, but apparently they can even work off extra time in the slammer by doing this. One would think that this not only helps the convicts but could also help the community.



Of course, that is what you would think, but that isn't what everyone else would think. Now instead of people whining about Mexicans taking all the jobs here in the states, now they whine about our own people taking jobs. How ironic is that? There was a news show on just a few seconds ago that was talking about how these convicts were taking jobs from good, honest community members. What the hell? Now even Americans don't have the right to work? And last time I checked, people didn't HAVE to hire on the convicts on, they are always free to make a different choice. People are just never happy.

Apr 1 2007, 10:19 am
Revenant Jesus wrote:
One of the newest things they are talking about where I live down south is the new thing they are doing with convicts.

I live in South Philly. Lol.. We're more like New York though..
Apr 1 2007, 10:23 am
Haven't you ever heard of a little movie called "Shawshank Redemption?" Clearly, a corrupt, Bible-toting warren is using the convicts to undercut the local labor pool so he can make a sweet profit by skimming off the top. Even better, other companies might even be giving him kickbacks to keep "his boys" off of certain jobs, just so that they can stay afloat.

Movies... is there anything they can't teach us?
Apr 1 2007, 11:46 am
In response to Hedgemistress

Just because it was in a movie doesn't mean that is what is really going to happen and I've seen you post enough to believe that you don't believe what you just said either. Or, I hope so, you seem more intelligent then that.

Apr 1 2007, 11:49 am
In response to Revenant Jesus
The world is full of conspiracies. The other day, I was walking by a house where someone was hammering on a roof. He called me paranoid in Morse code.
Apr 1 2007, 12:00 pm
Where were they doing this?

Your post seemed like it was addressed to one single person. I never complained about Mexicans taking jobs. Americans could get those jobs just as easily if they actually went for it. They take on the jobs others wouldn't and for less pay. All I'm against is illegal immigrants.

Seriously, unless this was directed towards one person, your statements tend to get a little misleading, contradictory, and may even offend some.
Apr 1 2007, 12:40 pm
In response to Revenant Jesus
Just because it was in a movie doesn't mean that is what is really going to happen

Apparently, you've never seen a little movie called "Last Action Hero," either.
Apr 1 2007, 1:24 pm
In response to CaptFalcon33035

I honestly don't care if it offends someone. People are going to get offended regardless by one thing or another and I simply stopped caring about what did and didn't offend someone online. As for it being aimed at one person, if it seemed like that to you, that is fine, everyone will get a different message from what I said, but that wasn't the intent. I was simply saying that people were complaining about illegals working in America and now they (people in general) are complaining about Americans working in America.



I know Americans could get those same jobs if they wanted them. And I agree with Maddox on the statement that if retailers were forced to pay everyone the same wage, regardless of where they come from, or who they are, then they are going to hire people based on how well they work, then how much money they want. Of course it goes without saying it is those same ignorant Americans that whine about illegals that have the thinking that they (illegals) are ruining America or taking jobs from the lazy American working class. I see Americans used as a generic term. We are not one kind of person, but a foundation of different cultures and races built into some sort of super structure. I honestly can simply not see anyone being an illegal alien in America.


Apr 1 2007, 2:11 pm
In response to CaptFalcon33035
CaptFalcon33035 wrote:
Where were they doing this?

Your post seemed like it was addressed to one single person. I never complained about Mexicans taking jobs. Americans could get those jobs just as easily if they actually went for it. They take on the jobs others wouldn't and for less pay. All I'm against is illegal immigrants.

Seriously, unless this was directed towards one person, your statements tend to get a little misleading, contradictory, and may even offend some.


I support all Hispanics that're Illegal here.. They may not pay taxes but they earn less.. but at least they want to live free like we're promised to be.. so they do what the got to do, where I live we call them "Go Gettaz".
Apr 1 2007, 2:46 pm
In response to LilMain

Well I mean, I honestly don't care as long as they don't interfere with my own business. Sometimes it can cause problems. A good example is where I work, they are one big corporation split up across the states. Well one of my managers went to California to see another plant and he said that due to the language barrier it made work a lot less efficient. They actually had to pay translators to work there just so they could speak to their employees. Then again, that is their own fault isn't it? But the points remains.. If you are going to work here and live here, you need to speak what we speak here. And if anyone wants to call that racist, then go ahead. That being said, I feel that if you are going to work here and live here, you need to follow our rules and that means paying taxes like anyone else. I don't care how little money you make or how poor you are, if I gotta do it, you need to do it too.

Apr 1 2007, 3:01 pm
In response to Revenant Jesus
But the points remains.. If you are going to work here and live here, you need to speak what we speak here. And if anyone wants to call that racist, then go ahead.

I won't call it racist. However, it's not a great thing to be going around saying. Fortunately, there's not much point to saying it, so you won't miss anything by ditching it.

In America, the ability of The People (manifested via the government, or not) to tell specific other people what to do or not do is limited to areas where The People have a vested interest. Neither you nor I have a vested interest in what the hell language anybody else wants to speak, plain and simple.

When you say, "You need to speak English," you sound like one of those ignorant, racist, nationalist Americans that certain foreign countries like to stereotype us as.

That, however, is not why it's pointless... that's why people will be apt to call you racist for saying it. The reason it's pointless is that we could, as a People, continue to do business in English without setting limits on what languages people do or do not speak.

In other words, it's un-American to say that people should have to speak English... but that doesn't mean a company should be forced to work with people who don't speak it.

A perfect example: a fast food place I used to frequent employed Spanish-speaking workers in the kitchen area. When I ordered onion rings, the counter help repeated the order through the microphone in English and Spanish because they never knew who was manning what station. What was the point of this? Surely by the second day of working there, the Spanish speakers would know that when the sound "onion ring" comes over the speaker, what food they're supposed to be preparing. If it was a geek themed restaurant and the menu was in Sindarin or Klingon, you'd expect the fry cooks to know what the menu items actually were, right?

(Hee hee... "These onion rings are barely alive!")

Public sensitivities being what they are, you could expect any large/national company to get protests and angry letters if they tried to force everybody to use English... but countering that type of stuff with "They live in America, they need to speak English!"-type-sentiments only makes an otherwise reasonable position appear biased.

I mean, there are people out there who honestly do go around saying crap like "You're an American, speak golderned American! If it was good enough for Jesus to speak in the Bible, it's good enough for you!"... do you really want your position linked with theirs?
Apr 1 2007, 4:00 pm
In response to LilMain
Where I live, we call them criminals. If they want to be here so badly without worrying about the government interfering, why don't they go through the naturalization process? At least they can make an effort to become a citizen while they're here. Instead, they get into gangs and criminal activity.

I'm not saying that's how all illegal immigrants behave, but if they have no other place to go (because they don't know english or something else is holding them back), they're going to get into crime. It's hard to track someone who isn't a citizen or documented person of your country.
Apr 1 2007, 4:01 pm
In response to Revenant Jesus
Revenant Jesus wrote:

I know Americans could get those same jobs if they wanted them. And I agree with Maddox on the statement that if retailers were forced to pay everyone the same wage, regardless of where they come from, or who they are, then they are going to hire people based on how well they work, then how much money they want. Of course it goes without saying it is those same ignorant Americans that whine about illegals that have the thinking that they (illegals) are ruining America or taking jobs from the lazy American working class. I see Americans used as a generic term. We are not one kind of person, but a foundation of different cultures and races built into some sort of super structure. I honestly can simply not see anyone being an illegal alien in America.



Wait am I reading that right? The "lazy American working class"? Yeah. Makes plenty of sense.
Apr 1 2007, 4:16 pm
I think their job stealing claims actually have some basis in reality. I have little doubt these guys get paid a fraction of what you would pay someone outside the program. Even the companies that don't participate in the program have to reduce wages to compete with the ones that do.
The people with few skills who live around the prison and rely on the simple jobs (ie, assembly line work) suddenly have to find work elsewhere. Usually that means travelling which means petrol costs which pushes them even further below the poverty line.


I'm all for prisoners being able to work, I just think jobs should be created within the prison for them to fill a need rather dominating an already low income field of work.
Although what I really like is the idea of in-house jobs that support a network of prisons. Ie, they work growing fruit which is distributed to the other prisons. They can then sell the extra stuff at a reasonable price that other farmers can compete with.
The prisoners make a little money, keep busy and the system spends a little less looking after them. Best of all they actually get some skills and something to pad their resume with. No one wants to hire an ex-con but it's a lot easier to convince them to give you a chance when you can say you spent your time employed and working hard.
Apr 1 2007, 4:26 pm
I think that would be a horrible idea. America needs to stop improving prisons. It's supposed to be a place you dont want to go. And with all these benifits being added in, soon it might not even be a bad place >_>.
Apr 1 2007, 4:36 pm
In response to Koil

It does make sense in a way, because a lot of Americans expect to be paid well for doing almost nothing at all. And even when they are expected to work, they shirk off. A good example is how, where I work (All legal Americans), as soon as the manager takes off, a lot of these people goof around and slack off even though we have a back log of 12 orders that are two weeks old. Yet it is these same people, who complain when they don't get paid enough or they don't get a raise.



If they would take a little pride in their work and work harder, then they would get the raises they want, they would be paid the wages they think they should get and they would get special advantages. Where I work, if we can get our work done before it is time to go home, then we can go home early the rest of the day and get paid for it and a lot of times, this is something that could and should happen, but people just begin to slack off and we end up being behind again.



I've been working since I was 11 years old and am now currently 22 years old, I have never been without a job since I started working 11 years ago, I have always had a job and I have always did a good job at those jobs. So I have a much different idea of how you are supposed to perform at work. That is why I called them the lazy American working class. If they don't have jobs, they blame someone else and if they do have jobs they slack off and still expect outstanding wages. That isn't right.



CaptFalcon33035 I see how it is now, I speak of something that hits close to home, so right away you get offended because my views differ from your own. I could see you right now, I bet your like my 90 year old landlord, she won't buy anything from Walmart and she won't buy anything unless it is made in America.


Apr 1 2007, 6:29 pm
In response to Hedgemistress
Hedgemistress wrote:
I mean, there are people out there who honestly do go around saying crap like "You're an American, speak golderned American! If it was good enough for Jesus to speak in the Bible, it's good enough for you!"

Heh, I want to go to America just to get those people to point out where Jesus was born on a map.
Apr 1 2007, 6:32 pm
In response to DarkView
Bethlehem of course, though he grew up in Nazareth.
Apr 1 2007, 6:50 pm
In response to Hedgemistress
I wonder if Bethlehem High's mascot is Jesus related. I'd love to see the J-Bird doing back flips and cheering on the football team.
Apr 1 2007, 8:07 pm
In response to CaptFalcon33035
CaptFalcon33035 wrote:
Where I live, we call them criminals. If they want to be here so badly without worrying about the government interfering, why don't they go through the naturalization process? At least they can make an effort to become a citizen while they're here. Instead, they get into gangs and criminal activity.


Hey, I'm a go getta as well. I steal and deal. That's what's up! Not so much anymore since I am starting to like game design lol.


We don't call our selves criminals, we're soul survivors, go gettas, thugs, etc.
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