Dec 6 2005, 2:43 pm
In response to Crispy
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Dark_Shadow_Ninja
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Wow, that really makes me want to buy Vista.
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Which is [cow poo]. They are trying to make a monopoly, without making one. Next thing you know, it will have that for every product that could possibly rival Microsoft's. First it's OpenGL vs DirectX/3D, then its Virus Scans and Firewalls Windows Built in vs Standalones, etc. Just like in SP2 for XP, they have the new Firewall. Next thing you know, you won't be able to turn it off then suddenly, there will be a built in virus scan, then one thing leads to the next, and suddenly Windows isn't just an OS, its an entire System defining what you can and cannot use.
Then, if you want to get carried away, next thing you know, Windows will define in their updates, which programs you can and cannot use which is complete [cow poo], but they will find a way to get out of it. Slowly but surely, there will be a monopoly (excluding the fact that you can go to another OS, which 99.9% of the population wont because they wont know how) brewing and theres nothing we can do about it. | |
It is a monopoly. It has most of the properities of one, the goverment is being morons and not breaking it up.
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Because they can't. It isn't offically a monopoly because in reality, everyone could switch to Unix or Linux suddently, screwing Microsoft over. It won't happen, because no one knows how to work those OSes, or even install them. It won't happen ever, BUT Windows DOES have competition, therefore it isn't a Monopoly. 0.1% of the population DOES use other OSes, but it is VERY rare because most of them are very difficult to work with for anyone who doesn't know what they are doing. I could probably get Linux, or Unix and work on it for the rest of my life, but due to the fact that I have never worked with it, I would still need Windows for at least another month or so, and I might never adapt, because at the current time, Windows is the most adept. Windows is the only OS that uses most of the games I like, or the applications I like to use. That is why it is a monopoly. If it wasn't for the fact that all of these things are only supported in Windows, I wouldn't be using Windows right now. The problem is that all the other OSes are alot harder to understand, and 99.9% of the population would get utterly confused using it. It isn't logical unless those OSes became less complex, but then they wouldn't be as useful to those 0.1% of the population that uses them for what they are used for. If they are not as complex, it would be harder to use.
I used to have Linux, but the problem is that I couldn't do anything with it. I had no games or applications that I liked that could be as easily used as they are in Windows. If this wasn't the case, I wouldn't ever use Windows again in my life. | |
Polantaris wrote:
Slowly but surely, there will be a monopoly (excluding the fact that you can go to another OS, which 99.9% of the population wont because they wont know how) brewing and theres nothing we can do about it. And then come the new computers that will only run Windows and maybe MacOS X. :P | |
MacOS is one of the worst OSes I've ever encountered in my life. We used to have MacOS on my Grammer school computers. It is not very diverse, and isn't that wonderful. And actually, at this time, you are LUCKY to be able to get a computer without Windows already installed in it. I am currently still looking for a laptop for cheap price but good, and all of the places I have looked at, have NO option w/o Windows on it. It is disgusting, its like people have no souls anymore and we have sold them all to Microsoft. Microsoft is disgusting, they made an advancement, yes, but that doesn't mean that you screw over every other company but make it JUST enough away that it's not a Monopoly. Bill Gates and just about everyone else who works for Microsoft is RICH, yes, we know. But that does NOT mean that they should get rid of every single competiton, where is their souls? I mean, seriosuly, they mind as well make WV the last version they come out with, and just sit there, because making all these stupid new options does NOTHING but make our CPUs run slower, our computers work more, and just pisses any hardcore gamer off. All these new features are UNNEEDED, they are just a waist of CPU Usage.
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Polantaris wrote:
MacOS is one of the worst OSes I've ever encountered in my life. We used to have MacOS on my Grammer school computers. It is not very diverse, and isn't that wonderful. How long ago was that? Have you used Mac OS X? Are you aware that Mac OS X is built on a Unix infrastructure? If you haven't used Mac OS X, I'd suggest checking it out before making such pronouncements. Otherwise it would literally be like saying, "Windows sucks, I know because I used DOS in school 20 years ago!" I don't know what you mean by diverse, but Mac OS X can run pretty much any Unix application, can run X11 apps, and is in general much more diverse and open standards compliant than Windows. Regardless, Mac OS X is rapidly gaining in market share, so may make a real challenge to Windows yet. | |
Last time we thought 4 was just a few months away, the "hiatus" lasted longer than expected... and here we are, two years later. I'm hoping that Dantom has put a stop to the feature creep--we need something to look forward to in BYOND 5!
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Polantaris wrote:
It is disgusting, its like people have no souls anymore and we have sold them all to Microsoft. You've got to remember that a computer is just a tool to most computer users. It's something they can write letters with and browse the internet. Who in their right mind would buy a bunch of Linux based machines for an office? Why would someone go out of their way to learn how to use a new system when they plan on using their PC less than five hours a week? At the end of the day most people want Windows when they buy a new computer because they're familiar with it. Most people are satisified with it. Advanced users are frustrated by it, but they're free to go to something else, especially considering you can download several different linux distributions for free. | |
bah I heard talk a long time ago they were allowing client side processing? Oh well... what else are they offering then?
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What about that darn bug with the text mode? Id appreacate it if not only would the text show up correctly on the map, but I could use more then just Courier.
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While true, as it seems Microsoft is going, they will make us use only their programs, for EVERYTHING. That means you HAVE to use Outlook, you HAVE to use MS Word, etc if you want a version of each thing that works beyond lowest possiblilites. It will be like, Installing PocoMail instead of Outlook will cause Windows to break, just like how if you uninstall SP2, Windows breaks and you have to reinstall it. It is wrong, because I know several people have bought Computers, and didn't get the Installation CD for it, which means they not only have to get someone to fix it, they will most likely have to rebuy the entire Windows OS, which is about $100+ nowadays. [expletive deleted]
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<font color="blue">Polantaris babbles incoherently:
...It won't happen, because no one knows how to work those OSes, or even install them...</font> knocks on Pola's head, 'hello? anyone home?' of course people can use those other OSes - MacOS X is ridiculously easy to install and set up, and most modern Linux distros like Ubuntu are as well. i've installed ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu on 25 machines so far, and they were a mixture of intel, amd, amd64, and ppc architectures. took me about an hour per machine. i've also had good success with MEPIS, Knoppix, SLAX, DamnSmallLinux, and pure Debian. and i *am not* a linux guru by any stretch of the imagination. <font color="blue">Polantaris spouts the following non-sense: ...it is VERY rare because most of them are very difficult to work with for anyone who doesn't know what they are doing....</font> every person who used one of those machine above i installed linux on came from a Windows world. after about 15 minutes of sitting down and explaining the differences and similarities to Windows, all but one person made it online and began to do productive work (and play) the same day. the single person remaining needed a little more 'training', but soon was able to translate her windows knowledge to KDE. it can be done if peopel chose the right distro for them and take the time to learn. <font color="blue">Polantaris babbles: ...Windows is the most adept...</font> at what exactly? <font color="blue">Polantaris babbles: ...Windows is the only OS that uses most of the games I like, or the applications I like to use. That is why it is a monopoly...</font> no, the monopoly comes from FUD like yours being spread around that Mac OS and modern Linux desktop distros can't do what Windows can - which is patently false and has been proven consistently for the past several years. with the advent of Transgamings Cedega engine and the Wine project, even your favorite games and applications can run under Linux now- often at native speeds of the machine (in other words, as fast as it would run under Windows). heck i'm using BYOND 3.5 for Windows using Qemu - an emulator for running host OSes inside another OS - and this is only because i have not bought a license for Cedega yet, plus only use the emulator for BYOND- nothing else. runs a bit slow, but proves that you can have your cake and eat it too. <font color="blue">Polantaris speaks more FUD: The problem is that all the other OSes are alot harder to understand, and 99.9% of the population would get utterly confused using it. It isn't logical unless those OSes became less complex, but then they wouldn't be as useful to those 0.1% of the population that uses them for what they are used for. If they are not as complex, it would be harder to use.</font> man i don't even know where to begin with this - it's soooo obviously wrong. i don't think you have even tried a recent Linux distribution or MacOS X, otherwise you would know this not to be true. <font color="blue">Polantaris babbles: I used to have Linux, but the problem is that I couldn't do anything with it. I had no games or applications that I liked that could be as easily used as they are in Windows.</font> then you've obviously picked the wrong distros. i can point you to 3-4 linux distributions that not only come with literally hundreds of pre-installed programs for free that will do everything you need (outside of the hardcore commercial gaming software- which you would have to buy anyway), but give you access to thousands more free software at almost a click of a button. that is real power. and far more than 0.1% of the market knows how to use it. Macs and *nix boxes are here to stay and will only get better and better. MS will never die, but they'll have to start earning their money from now on. | |
Polantaris wrote:
While true, as it seems Microsoft is going, they will make us use only their programs, for EVERYTHING. But that's never going to happen. There's always going to be an alternative to Windows. They'd have to be stupid to try to make it so you could only use Microsoft programs because that will force people to go elsewhere. They may someday make a 'Windows Basic' where it'll only run Microsoft Approved programs, but they wouldn't make it the standard build. It is wrong, because I know several people have bought Computers, and didn't get the Installation CD for it, which means they not only have to get someone to fix it, they will most likely have to rebuy the entire Windows OS, which is about $100+ nowadays. That's their problem not something Microsoft has done. You could possibly blame it on the person selling the machine, but even then the person buying it probably should have asked. If they were running on Linux and didn't ask for a copy of the installation CD when they got it they'd have the same problem. The only difference is they probably wouldn't have to pay any money, but you can't expect Microsoft to give Windows away for free. $100 isn't much considering how many people they employ. | |
To add to what Digi said, I managed to install Fedora Core 3 on a partition with a system that also has Windows 98, and set it up in such a way that I can boot both windows and linux, and I knew nothing much about linux back then. I still don't know much.
Linux is VERY easy to use. Although, I now find myself preferring the command line to the gui, at least in linux. MS-DOS is awful. EDIT: Digi, I've just been trying to get qemu running on my linux partition (Fedora Core 3). I've got it installed (Although, I'm going to have to reinstall it with kqemu. Ah well...). I'm trying to figure out where windows stores its system boot image. My prime candidate (Though I haven't actually tried using it yet) is C:\WINDOWS\System.1st. I'm running Windows 98 on the other partition. Presumably, you actually need the windows version installed on a partition somewhere to emulate it, it being proprietry and Microsoft at all, or I'd be emulating Windows 2000. So, do I have the right file? Any tips/hints/pointers to a fairly new linux user? The emulated windows will only be able to access its partition, so if OpenGL is not working on the windows side, and works on the linux side, an emulated windows will have nonworking OpenGL? | |
The truth, you speak. Having a lot of experience in linux, I can say, it can do most of what windows can do, and more. I still haven't got WineX running, but only because I have a 64bit distro, and windows games are made for a 32bit system. I might have converted 3 people to kubuntu today. It was sweet. We have a class at my Community College, called "Servey of OS", mostly focusing on the Windows OS, but today was linux time(unfortunatly just today). I brought 1 live distro of kubuntu, and one install cd. I showed it off, but only got a few minutes, but everyone was interested. I am bringing another CD next class because someone else wanted one, I handed out both I brought.
If you want to see what the fuss is about with linux, but don't want to go installing it, try a live distro, ubuntu, and kubuntu both have live versions, they work rather well, a little slow, but they where running off a CD. Please, put your money where your mouth is when you make comments like that(not you digi). | |
I would never go to another OS because I am happy with the one I have. I hear people rant and rave about other OSes all the time, and bla bla bla Microsoft this and that. psh.
Those other OSes may be great for some people, but I don't really even need what they have to offer. So I'll just keep using what I already have, since 99.9% of my software works just fine with it. I don't want to have to buy or download an emulator to play something I picked up off the shelfs, thank you. | |