Re: RTS: DBZ

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Apr 11 2005, 11:00 am
strategy games are a major pain in the butt to program and design... trust me on this one. I personally wish I spent my time making an RPG, they're much more popular and don't consume nearly as much of your time.
Apr 11 2005, 3:36 pm
Jon Snow wrote:
strategy games are a major pain in the butt to program and design... trust me on this one. I personally wish I spent my time making an RPG, they're much more popular and don't consume nearly as much of your time.

Im sure I am no were near your skill level at making any type of game. But, O.o wouldn't any game be a major pain in the butt to program and design if you put alot of time into it. I mean couldn't you just tape a piece of code here and there and call it a Strategy?

Ahh dont mind me every one hates me. You probley do too now.
Apr 14 2005, 8:37 am (Edited on Apr 14 2005, 9:11 am)
In response to Green Lime
bah I suck at making games, particularly because I like to do concept design but never like to do polishing and balancing, or even bug fixing... I just have so much fun with concepts.

Yes you can make a few lines of code and call it a strategy game, but it's a lot harder to make a strategy game that people will play and play consistenly when you can make an RPG that people will play consistently. The reason? RPG's are more common and more of a tride and true game to play, and majority of people like them more then strategy games, that's why they have the biggest market and you don't see any MMO strategy games...

it's tuff to say if this is true, but for the most part strategy games are less accepted because of complication, and *shivers* "Thinking" involved.
Apr 14 2005, 8:47 am
In response to Jon Snow
Jon Snow wrote:
it's tuff to say if this is true, but for the most part strategy games are less accepted because of complication, and *shivers* "Thinking" involved.

when i play a game i dont want to have to think too much. if i wanted something mentally taxing, i'd do work =P
Apr 14 2005, 8:58 am
In response to OneFishDown
OneFishDown wrote:
Jon Snow wrote:
it's tuff to say if this is true, but for the most part strategy games are less accepted because of complication, and *shivers* "Thinking" involved.

when i play a game i dont want to have to think too much. if i wanted something mentally taxing, i'd do work =P

And yet Chess is hundreds of years old and played across the entire world?

:)
Apr 14 2005, 9:10 am
In response to Elation
chess is one of those rare games that has a nice balance of strategy/thinking, and fun/quick play. If more games could easily be made like it, that would be awesome.
Apr 14 2005, 9:13 am
In response to Jon Snow
Command and Conquer? It is well balanced and has very quick games. There is some thinking, but not brain busting thinking.

It is one of my favorite RTS's.
Apr 14 2005, 9:29 am
In response to Scoobert
hmm yeah, I hope you're talking about red alert. Didn't care for any of the others... :P

Starcraft is a lot of fun as well, but these games also took years of creation and probably massive headaches for the designers...

most people on byond don't have that kind of dedication, and the arguement was that couldn't you make a strategy game in a short amount of time... that was simple and popular.
Apr 14 2005, 9:40 am
In response to Jon Snow
True. I was talking about them all. I own every CnC game released, and about half of the expantion packs. Renegade was horrible, and should have never been created. Generals was an overall disappointment(no navy, what are they, nuts?). EA kinda screwed them up. The best from the whole series had to be RA2, followed closely by Tiberian Sun. You may not agree, but not everyone likes that style of gameplay.
Apr 14 2005, 10:31 am
In response to Elation
Elation wrote:
OneFishDown wrote:
when i play a game i dont want to have to think too much. if i wanted something mentally taxing, i'd do work =P

And yet Chess is hundreds of years old and played across the entire world?

:)

i don't play chess =P
Apr 14 2005, 11:48 am
In response to OneFishDown
OneFishDown wrote:
Elation wrote:
OneFishDown wrote:
when i play a game i dont want to have to think too much. if i wanted something mentally taxing, i'd do work =P

And yet Chess is hundreds of years old and played across the entire world?

:)

i don't play chess =P

Y'know, why don't you just go the whole way then and play Zeta? Or better yet, compile and run this:

mob/verb/click_me_to_win()
   winpoints++
   if(winpoints>=1000)
      src<<"You win!"
var
   winpoints = 0


Thinking is a good thing.
Apr 14 2005, 12:56 pm
In response to Elation
You'd better make that a looping proc that I should only have to click once - or, better yet: just make it call on Login(). That way, I win without clicking a command 1,000 times. Also, I don't see any levels on there, or cool icons or something to show others my accomplishment! I sir am boycotting your game!
Apr 14 2005, 1:54 pm (Edited on Apr 14 2005, 2:33 pm)
In response to Teh Governator
Teh Governator wrote:
Also, I don't see any levels on there, or cool icons or something to show others my accomplishment! I sir am boycotting your game!

That's a point. People like to show others how much they are beating them.

This is the new version of the game:

world
   mob = /mob/ThePlayer

mob
   proc
      startwinning()
         while(1)
            src.winpoints += src.pointuppage
            sleep(1)
   var
      winpoints = 0
      pointuppage = 1
      timeswon = 1
   New()
      startwinning()
      ..()
   verb
      Challenge_Other_Players(mob/M)
         world<<"[src] has challenged [M] to a comparison of meaningless statistics!"
         if(src.winpoints > M.winpoints)
            src.timeswon ++
            src.pointuppage += 6 / src.timeswon + M.winpoints / 100
            world<<"<b>[src]</b> has attacked and beaten <b>[M]</b> with [src.winpoints] to [M.winpoints]! [src] gains a P.U. booster of [6/src.timeswon + M.winpoints / 100]."
         if(src.winpoints < M.winpoints)
            M.timeswon ++
            src.pointuppage += 3 / src.timeswon
            world<<"<b>[src]</b> has attacked but has been defeated by <b>[M]</b> with [src.winpoints] to [M.winpoints]! [M] gains a P.U. booster of [3/src.timeswon]."
      Check_Other_Players(mob/M)
         src<<"<b>[M]</b> has won [M.timeswon] times, has [M.winpoints] winpoints, with a P.U. of [M.pointuppage]."
      Check_Self()
         src<<"<b>You</b> have won [src.timeswon] times, have [src.winpoints] winpoints, with a P.U. of [src.pointuppage]."
   Easybadguy
      name = "Average Joe"
      winpoints = 10
   Middlingbadguy
      name = "Guy Middling"
      winpoints = 30
   Harderbadguy
      name = "Biker Dude"
      winpoints = 50
   Toughbadguy
      name = "Macho Man"
      winpoints = 70
   Tougherbadguy
      name = "Machoer Man"
      winpoints = 100
   Strongbadguy
      name = "Strong Man"
      winpoints = 150
   Strongerbadguy
      name = "The Stronger Man"
      winpoints = 200
   Uberbadguy
      name = "Lad Uber"
      winpoints = 270
   Ubererbadguy
      name = "Lad Uberer"
      winpoints = 400
   TheBossMan
      name = "The Boss Guy"
      winpoints = 1000
   TheBossMansBoss
      name = "The Boss's Boss"
      winpoints = 10000
   TheBossMansBossesBoss
      name = "The Boss's Boss's Boss"
      winpoints = 50000
   Jesus
      name = "Jesus"
      winpoints = 100000
   God
      name = "God"
      winpoints = 9000000
   ThePlayer


Meh.
Apr 14 2005, 1:56 pm
In response to Elation
i never said that i didn't want to think at all
Apr 15 2005, 3:47 am
In response to Jon Snow
Jon Snow wrote:
Yes you can make a few lines of code and call it a strategy game, but it's a lot harder to make a strategy game that people will play and play consistenly when you can make an RPG that people will play consistently. The reason?

I think part of the reason is also that people grew up with games on the commercial game systems which were not much better than the poor ones on Byond today. Back in the day we had commercial RPGs that were very similar to the ones that spring up all over the place here at Byond. Because of that, expectation is much lower.

On the other hand, I don't recall any RTS games of that lowly position.

RPG's are more common and more of a tride and true game to play, and majority of people like them more then strategy games, that's why they have the biggest market and you don't see any MMO strategy games...

But a massive-multiplayer online strategy game would be so great. Especially if it was empire-builder oriented.

it's tuff to say if this is true, but for the most part strategy games are less accepted because of complication, and *shivers* "Thinking" involved.

True, most people that refuse to think often end up losing at the RTS games. Many people just like to create a massive army of one type of units, usually being either a million lowly, basic infantry or a thousand of the biggest, most powerful vehicle.
Apr 15 2005, 6:38 am
In response to Scoobert
Warhammer 40,000 = great rts
Apr 15 2005, 11:39 am
In response to Scoobert
I was once working on a game like that, unfortunatly I didnt have any icons, and lost insipration...
Apr 17 2005, 12:06 pm
In response to Rockinawsome
Rockinawsome wrote:
Warhammer 40,000 = great rts

Sadly it's not a Real Time Strategy, is it?
Apr 17 2005, 3:40 pm
Best strategy game ever? Lego wars. Mhm

You and your friend get a big box of your lego's and build up forts and outposts and what not with archers soldiers cannons riflemen, spearmen and the like come up with some completly arbitrary rules and then destroy each other until no lego is left standing. It was a great game... I wish I still had some legos. It wouldnt take too very long to make something like that for byond. If you want more details just ask.
Apr 22 2005, 12:31 pm
In response to Madcrackfiend
Madcrackfiend wrote:
Best strategy game ever? Lego wars. Mhm

You and your friend get a big box of your lego's and build up forts and outposts and what not with archers soldiers cannons riflemen, spearmen and the like come up with some completly arbitrary rules and then destroy each other until no lego is left standing. It was a great game... I wish I still had some legos. It wouldnt take too very long to make something like that for byond. If you want more details just ask.



I swear there was a lego wars game-thing, let me go find it.