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 Oct 22 2003, 5:11 pm
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I've been researching stuff and Atlantis might actually be real. I've heard that ancient maps of Atlantis mach maps of Antartica, and so Antartica might actually be Atlantis. Does anyone have any information on Atlantis?
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Oct 22 2003, 5:13 pm
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Jotdaniel
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Not to sound rude, but I'm sure we would all like to see your "research."
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Antartica is probably too large/far away to be Atlantis. I think Atlantis could be real, even if its just a place that got flooded (A lot of myths/legends are based around some fact). The problem lays in sorting the myths from the facts.
The reason I like Atlantis is the fact that you could dedicate your whole life to finding it and come up with nothing, while still living a full life and learning a lot. | |
The first really historically significant mention of Atlantis was in a work by Plato, and is pretty clearly a fable... whether or not he believed Atlantis had ever been real, or was just capitalizing on a popular story of the time, or was just making it up as he went along, he merely was telling the story to tell a point about destructive pride.
You've heard that ancient maps of Atlantis match Antarctica? If I were so inclined, I'd look up Plato's description of Atlantis's dimensions (he was the guy who first mentioned Atlantis in writing)... they're not close. I'm with Jot... I'd like to see your research. Actually documented (outside of chatrooms, I mean) descriptions of Atlantis seem to match an exaggerated version of the Minoan civilization of ancient Crete, which pre-dated what we think of as Greek culture. Yes, it's possible that "Atlantis" is more than a fable based on Crete's half-remembered glory days, but it's not very likely... it's even less likely that Antarctica has anything to do with it. I mean, if Atlantis is an ancient civilization in the middle of the ocean that supposedly sunk beneath the sea... and we find out that Antarctica was once an advanced civilization... how does that make Antarctica into Atlantis? We'd have still probably mythical Atlantis and as yet unknown Antarctic civilization. | |
No problem at all. Maxine Asher was some guy who in 1973 went off and supposedly found Pyramids and such under the Ocean that was supposedly Atlantis. (All my research was internet reasearch if that bears any meaning to you). Pretty much I just went to http://www.google.com and searched for Atlantis. I got lots of links like educational institutes and some amatuer pages, but there was some good information about wether Atlantis was real or not. Apparently Plato and the ancient greeks had the whole place mapped out and they had historical records of Atlantis. Also, i got some books on it from amazon.com (the day the sky fell i believe it was called)etc. I think that prehaps ancient legends are proablaly true, but happened so long ago that they are hard to believe and also that the information has gotten messed up.
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Well yeah, I'm not claiming anything here, I just wanted to know if anyone knew anything or had any theories about Atlantis.
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Here's an interesting story about Maxine Asher and his American World University:
http://www.career-comments.com/usa_job/iowa_job/ iowa_job_msg61562/iowa_job_msg61562.shtml That's the problem with doing "research" by picking pages at random... you never know if the page you're looking at is reliable, is a hoax or a joke, or copied information unknowingly from a hoax or a joke. Each website/newspaper article/whatever repeats whatever they heard, and has one more previous source to cite, making an obvious fabrication seem like a reliably reported event. | |
Anarchy Robot wrote:
I've been researching stuff and Atlantis might actually be real. I've heard that ancient maps of Atlantis mach maps of Antartica, and so Antartica might actually be Atlantis. Does anyone have any information on Atlantis? People have claimed to have found Atlantis just about everywhere. Of corse most of the published white papers and press releases are for advertising the "researcher's" latest book, seats to their new conference, video tapes, emergency supplies and so on. Here's one of the better debunking sites I've read about the Atlantis in Antartica spin on this profitable subject. | |
Yeah I know. The internet is a two-edged sword that way. Sometimes I wonder if anything I read on the internet is reliable at all.
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When you are searching for new sources you most of the stuff you encounter will be "unstable" (Ie, it could be true, it could not). That's why it's best to find a few reliable sources for multiple categories of information, then stick with them when possible.
The internet is like a 24 year old nerds bedroom. It's full of junk, but there is actually some useful/cool stuff under all the old Pizza boxes. | |
problem is, conspiracy theorists like myself have trouble believing these "reliable" sources, like cnn or history channel. sometimes, i find that the greatest truth can be found in the most unbelievable places online. Another theory I've encountered is that Atlantis was a one world government much more advanced then us, but not by much. the entire world was governed by them and they were controlled by mystics, for the sake of this theory, lets call them the illuminati. god saw this, and was displeased, so he destroyed them and flooded the earth (hence the legend of atlantis sinking). those remaining mystics kept the ancient knowledge and legends alive and passed their knowledge down from ages to ages. ancient egypt is evident of that. well, apparently, these gnostics, mystics, roscicurcians, rothschild, illuminati, whatever they may be, masons, -inshort, worshipers of lucifer, are attempting to bring about that great one world soicety from the past, and it has been prophicized by the bible, and god will come once again to punish man for his arragance. well, like i said, it's another theory.
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A double-edged sword isn't more likely to cut the wielder than a single-edged one, if he or she is careful with it. :P
The trick is to question everything... your own thoughts, feelings, and beliefs most of all. People think I'm overconfident in stating my opinion because I never stop to think I might be wrong. They're bass-ackwards. It's because I constantly examine that very possibility that I'm able to state my position without doubt. You're so hard up for meaning in life, so ponder this one: the unexamined life is not worth living. | |
Quite true. If you don't question, then you stop being a human and start becoming a robot. That is exactly my point too. Free will is a problem for these New World Order conspiratists, and life just isn't life if you don't have free will; the free will to ponder and question everything.
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Hedgemistress wrote:
The trick is to question everything... your own thoughts, feelings, and beliefs most of all. That sounds hard. Can't I just write a book or something and use that as evidence for everything I say? Oh, and Atlantis could be real, but you won't find ruins of it. The idea of an island sinking into the water is rather silly. Maybe a large wave destroyed it, but you won't find the ruins if that happened. Which is why nobody's found the ruins. So, basically, I'm too lazy to continue my argument. | |
And for some reason, God neglected to mention any of this in his wildly successful self-published autobiography? :P If you didn't bother to discover that your primary source for Atlantis lore makes her money selling phony diplomas, then how do you know what is reliable or not? Your definition of reliable seems to be little more than A) Does it support the position I've already decided is right, that is, that the world is a weird and wonderful place controlled by forces hostile to me, and B) Does it sound cool?
CNN makes the world seem mundane, somewhat predictable but largely random, rather than strange and orchestrated... so CNN == unreliable. www.godhatesatlantis.com, though, is way out there and resonates with what you've already decided is the truth, so it might be reliable. The big problem with world-girdling conspiracy theories is that they presume mere mortals could oversee the chaos and confluence of conflicting forces and events that is the modern world. Yes, yes, there's the internet and global communications and so forth... but it's impossible to control the internet. The bigger and more complex life gets, the harder it will be. Like I said in the last thread... government is based on compromise, and a good compromise can still make everyone feel cheated. You as a nominal Christian feel oppressed because of the compromises made to non-Christians in public life. You see a conspiracy, not realizing that the non-Christians of America aren't exactly throwing their arms to the unheaven and giving thanks to nongod for the current state of affairs, either. It's not a conspiracy on either side, though, it's just the cyclical give-and-take of history. You know, paranoid Americans believe the U.N. is a plot to overthrow our sovereignity and institute a one-world government. Paranoids in other countries believe the U.S. uses the U.N. to try to extend our imperialistic goals and take over the rest of the world. The fact is, everyone's n independent agent and everyone's just trying to do the best they can according to their own standards. There's no conspiracy... if there was, it would inevitably fall to pieces. | |
Dude... you're the one saying everyone should be free to be a straight Christian and anyone who disagrees is a robot. :P Seems to me you're not exactly buddy-buddy with free will, either.
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Just a note. Ancient Egypt isn't as much of a mystery as Fox TV specials would have you belive. The problem is that a lot of people want to belive. They want to belive so badly that they just plain ignore a lot of the facts.
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Hedgemistress wrote:
And for some reason, God neglected to mention any of this in his wildly successful self-published autobiography? :P If you didn't bother to discover that your primary source for Atlantis lore makes her money selling phony diplomas, then how do you know what is reliable or not? Your definition of reliable seems to be little more than A) Does it support the position I've already decided is right, that is, that the world is a weird and wonderful place controlled by forces hostile to me, and B) Does it sound cool? Time for the universal comeback... "or thats what they want you to belive" =P | |