In response to Skysaw
this information is from The Game Developers Conference 2002.

information from Shin'ichi Okamoto, Senior Vice President and CTO of Sony Computer.

Sony is working with IBM and Toshiba. on a cell processing techonlgy it'll be unveiled around 2003 or 2004. Shin'ichi Okamoto did state, however, that the PS3 would be based on this technology. That means PlayStation 3 will be made to be jacked into the future net.

this also means that the ps3 will be many times more powerfull then any pc made to "date". by 2005 however I am sure pc's will be runing at 10giz or so. (most likey a lot more) if Moore's Law hold's true. Moore's Law = the doubling affect (for those of you how do not know)

more at. http://www.gamespy.com/gdc2002/okamoto/index.shtm
In response to Xzar
I'll tell you what I think.
Microsoft needs to quite bragging and put their money where their mouth is. I haven't seen a game out yet that can compete with AC4's or Jak & Daxter's graphics. Not Halo, not DOA3, not one. Other than that, Sony has a HUGE library for PSONE and PS2. Let's just assume 10% of playstation and ps2 games are really good. That's about 65+ titles. Xbox haas about 80 titles period. Microsoft has two, only one of which is "Xclusive" (Halo; yes that's right, even DOA3 isn't), new, and any good. It just looks like a damn cash cow to me. Another outpost in MS's empire. If you're wondering, I have all three and believe the PS2 is the best. I even play DOA2 more than 3
In response to Airson
You really seem to have a huge problem with microsoft. What's so important that there are more titles for the playstation 2 than the Xbox?
In response to Airson
See i dont hate Microsoft as a company. But i dont particularly like the X-box. I have windows XP and have very little problems with it. But my computers brand is sony(its a vaio) fastest PC i have ever owned, and messes up alot less then my Compaq(A.K.A the error generator) and my IBM (lag machine). But i do like the PS2 and am a gibe sony playstation fan now. And as to grafix, i dont think jak and dexter is that good, but then its also ment to look catoony. But GT3 rocks, even GT2 for PSX was one of the best grafix in a game. PS2 also as you sed has alot more exclusive titles. X-box does have odd world munches oddisy. But i didnt here anything spicial about it.
In response to Scoobert
Get a PS2, belive there worth it.


The Gamecube, i dont think you should get, unless your into childish games like mario and luigis ghoust house or something like that.

The X-Box, well i still think the PS2 is better, but the X-Box dosent bring out very good games, exept halo, thats a good game.

Overall i think you should buy the PS2 coz of there games, DVD capiblity, music cd capiblity, and many more. Also FFX is a sweet game , ANOTHER reason why you should get the PS2 :p.

Hope i helped.

-Unrealt15-

In response to Airson
Airson wrote:
I'll tell you what I think.
Microsoft needs to quite bragging and put their money where their mouth is. I haven't seen a game out yet that can compete with AC4's or Jak & Daxter's graphics. Not Halo, not DOA3, not one. Other than that, Sony has a HUGE library for PSONE and PS2. Let's just assume 10% of playstation and ps2 games are really good. That's about 65+ titles. Xbox haas about 80 titles period. Microsoft has two, only one of which is "Xclusive" (Halo; yes that's right, even DOA3 isn't), new, and any good. It just looks like a damn cash cow to me. Another outpost in MS's empire. If you're wondering, I have all three and believe the PS2 is the best. I even play DOA2 more than 3

Try taking a title that has come out on both machines, and pitting them side by side. Spiderman comes to mind. Looks MUCH better on an Xbox.
In response to Skysaw
Try taking a title that has come out on both machines, and pitting them side by side. Spiderman comes to mind. Looks MUCH better on an Xbox.

Well, of course it does -- Xbox is a better performing system.

PS2 stands on the merits of its games library, which includes the new PS2 games as well as the extensive and remarkable collection of PSX games. It also stands on the merits of being a DVD player.

Xbox stands on the merits of its graphics, and the success of a couple games.

It depends on if you're into superficiality or not. Some of my friends have said that Halo was the worst game they've ever played -- sure, it was good eye candy, but candy doesn't provide the necessary nutrients. It's the classic case of game critics loving it, but hardcore gamers despising it.

I haven't even touched an Xbox or Gamecube, though; not once. I'm a PC fan -- there's something far more exhilarating about playing a game on a small screen that doesn't rely on interlacing to stand up to the graphical shortcomings, rather than a large screen that uses interlacing to ignore 50% of the graphical details and smooth out all of the graphics on its own.

Hell, I'd play a 320x240 game like Quake on PC faster than I'd play it on a console, simply because I believe that the crispness, even if it's pixelated, makes the graphics better.

(That reminds me... I should look for Quake in the bargain bins and computer junkyards at some point. All I have is the demo from CGW '96. =P)
In response to Spuzzum
Spuzzum wrote:
Some of my friends have said that Halo was the worst game they've ever played -- sure, it was good eye candy, but candy doesn't provide the necessary nutrients. It's the classic case of game critics loving it, but hardcore gamers despising it.

I don't particularly like Halo either for the same reasons. I would probably like it multi-player, though, which I haven't tried.

I haven't even touched an Xbox or Gamecube, though; not once. I'm a PC fan -- there's something far more exhilarating about playing a game on a small screen that doesn't rely on interlacing to stand up to the graphical shortcomings, rather than a large screen that uses interlacing to ignore 50% of the graphical details and smooth out all of the graphics on its own.

HDTV should take care of that, including titles which will use non-interlaced mode. Not that I have one. Yet.

Hmmm...I seem to be standing alone in saying that the GameCube is the best...lol

Actually, I have no clue, nor do I care, which system has the most hardware power... I've read at one time or another that they all claim it... And I have no idea who's telling the truth... Especially when the statistics given are basically useless in determining exactly how well a machine can render graphics...

But graphical power means nothing to me... They all look exceptionally good...so why should I care if one has a slightly higher draw rate, or a better processor...

So then it comes right down to the games...

And in this category, I simply HAD to have a GameCube...

In fact, I was pretty much sold on the system just on Super Smash Bros Melee alone...lol That was an absolute must-have title for me... Above and beyond all other games in existence...lol

In fact, from day one when they announced the makings of SSBM, I knew I simply had to get myself a GC...

SSB on the 64 is one of the greatest games of all time in my opinion... And I've spent countless, immensely fun hours of playing it against my friends... And SSBM is everything that game was and more... I don't know how they improved on what was already perfection, but they managed...lol

So based on that single title...I made my decision to go with the Nintendo system...

It doesn't hurt that there're all kinds of amazing titles for it as well... Star Wars: Rogue Leader, Resident Evil, the upcoming Metroid Prime, even Pikmin and the new "Cel-da" (Zelda)... All really great games...on a really good system...

I absolutely love the controller... Not as big and bulky as the X Box's, not as small and hard to use as the PS2's (I never really liked PSX controllers...and this one is exactly like them...lol) It's extremely easy to use...and all of the buttons are easily accessable... It's perfectly ergonomic...

And the small size is another plus... It takes up a really small bit of room, and is easily portable (heck, it even has a handle built right into the back...lol)... Even the small size of the discs is a plus... There's a third party storage stand that I have that they fit right into with these little slots... Taking up a lot less space than a full size CD case would (or leaving them in the DVD cases they come in)

As for the "drawback" of it not playing DVDs... Who needs it to? It's a game machine... Not a DVD player... I'm glad they didn't waste the effort and money on putting a DVD player into it... It saves me from having to pay for a redundant piece of hardware... I mean, c'mon... Of those of you with a DVD capable game machine and a regular DVD player in the house... Which one do you use more commonly to play DVDs? Chances are you play the vast majority of your DVDs on the "real" DVD player and just use the game system for games... That extra $100 for the system is now going to waste...lol Of course, for those that do use the game system DVD player often, this is a good investment... But I'm willing to bet those are few and far between...

All in all, my game system of choice is the Nintendo GameCube... It may not be the "best"...but it's what I prefer...
I seem to have such a hate for the ff series once it left super nintendo, i dont know why though
In response to Spuzzum
If i didnt have windows stuff in the way. My computer would run games better than a PS2 or X-box. My computer is about your standord 2000 dolar computer. Its made by sony so it has almost the best grafix card, and monider. 17 inch baby, i was on a 13 before this, lol, thats just sad. But my point is that i can run just about any game out there with no choppyness or anything.
In response to Skysaw
hey anyone remeber Sega TV. With it you could play new games for genesis every like 4 hours. I never had it but i knew someone who did.
In response to SuperSaiyanGokuX
well on the DVD part, the PS2 cost less than the GC(maybie not in all areas) so realy your paying less for more. I dont use my PS2 as a DVD player. But i could if i wanted too,but my PC and my standlone DVD player works just fine. We have a hell of a audio system so the PS2 just isnt the quility we are looking for. But for those who dont have a DVD player, or people who want one for there rooms but want to buy a game system more, get a PS2.
In response to Scoobert
Gamecube: $149.99

Playstation 2: $199.99

Xbox: $199.99

I think not. (And those are factory prices)
In response to SuperSaiyanGokuX
SuperSaiyanGokuX wrote:
As for the "drawback" of it not playing DVDs... Who needs it to? It's a game machine... Not a DVD player... I'm glad they didn't waste the effort and money on putting a DVD player into it... It saves me from having to pay for a redundant piece of hardware... I mean, c'mon... Of those of you with a DVD capable game machine and a regular DVD player in the house... Which one do you use more commonly to play DVDs? Chances are you play the vast majority of your DVDs on the "real" DVD player and just use the game system for games... That extra $100 for the system is now going to waste...lol Of course, for those that do use the game system DVD player often, this is a good investment... But I'm willing to bet those are few and far between...

Not quite. For those families worse off than others, or who have not yet purchased a DVD player this is a big big plus. I know atleast 6 poeple who all use the PS2 for a Dvd player, because they dont own a seperate one. Not everyone has $6000 worth of TV equipment :P

Another point is for those of us who live with our parents, have our own TV, and the PS2 plugged in there. No need to get a DVD player, because its already there! :)

Alathon\\
In response to Soccerguy13
xbox is the best system over all in my opinion. its higher in all qualities. it has a dvd player, a hard drive, you can go on the net, and the games have high quality graphics.... BUT, THERES NO GTA3 SO THERE FOR PS2 IS THE BEST, GET PS2 PS2 PS2 PS2 PS2 NOW
In response to Scoobert
Scoobert wrote:
We have a hell of a audio system so the PS2 just isnt the quility we are looking for. But for those who dont have a DVD player, or people who want one for there rooms but want to buy a game system more, get a PS2.

And of course the Xbox is a hell of an audio (and video) system. Dolby surround sound is nice. Actually, I thought the PS2 was too... is it not?
In response to Scoobert
Scoobert wrote:
If i didnt have windows stuff in the way. My computer would run games better than a PS2 or X-box. My computer is about your standord 2000 dolar computer. Its made by sony so it has almost the best grafix card, and monider. 17 inch baby, i was on a 13 before this, lol, thats just sad. But my point is that i can run just about any game out there with no choppyness or anything.


Nvidia makes the best graphics cards <.< >.>
In response to Scoobert
Scoobert wrote:
hey anyone remeber Sega TV. With it you could play new games for genesis every like 4 hours. I never had it but i knew someone who did.

A friend of mine used to have it when I was around 7-9. It was the coolest. He got it free since his dad worked at that company, but now I have free internet (fast might I add, roadrunner), free cable, and all the free channels you pay to watch movies and stuff.
In response to Nadrew
Nadrew wrote:
Gamecube: $149.99

Playstation 2: $199.99

Xbox: $199.99

I think not. (And those are factory prices)

he is impling what the ps2 can do over the GC makes it cheaper.
a easycube (gamecube) = $149 (is not a DVD player and cd player)
a dvd palyer = $100
a cd stero system = $100
a ps2 = $199 (is a DVD player and cd player)
playing on a ps2 = priceless
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