it's like every other thread has a message from a forum moderator!!
STOP THE HATE PEOPLE!!
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!
ok I over exagerated... more like 1 or 2 posts per page of threads on my screen.
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 Jun 24 2002, 7:21 pm
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I sense that a moderator will post a message here...
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ADDiCt wrote:
I sense that a moderator will post a message here... I sense that they have every right to. The point being, if forum users stop the hate, the moderators stop moderating. It's not like they're moderating threads without the best interests of the forums in mind. If/when a moderator raises his/her voice, it's because he/she has warned the person on several occasions not to do whatever they're doing. I personally don't see any real difference from before -- the same people who broke the rules still break the rules -- but now the moderators can defuse those problem threads before they break out into massive flame wars that dominate several hundred lines and prevent any productive attempts at making posts. We want to keep this place clean, tidy, and smoothly-running. Nowhere does "hate" come into that picture. | |
we can't do anything, we're not moderators...
but what I'm saying is not that the moderators are doing a bad job but more maybe we should dive deeper why there is so much hate going around? Most likely it's caused by ignorance so why don't we figure out what the root of the problem is? The moderators posting alot is a sign of alot of anger and frustration between members of byond here... maybe we should learn to forgive and forget. | |
Just because your not a moderator does not mean you cannot do anything for example you could stop insulting somone because you disagree with them if you disagree and wish to reply then try to keep it civilized instead of making the first 3 words in your post insulting.
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Jon Snow wrote:
we can't do anything, we're not moderators... Ignorance is rarely the root of hate; this is a PC myth, oft-repeated in spite of its inanity. It's a nice little fiction to think you can just educate someone out of being hateful, but the deepest and most enduring kinds of hatred (not so much bigotry, mind you, which is a slightly different matter) come from knowing your enemy well. People who fully embrace the idea that ignorance is the root of all hate can't even fathom situations where, say, a couple of neighbors with a 20-year history of grievances between both, hate each other all the more for everything they've catalogued about each other. (Somewhat related, actually, is the moronic aphorism that it takes two to fight. It takes one to fight, and one to either fight back or get beat up.) What I've seen mostly wrong isn't hatred, but a lack of respect. Too many people fail to show respect in their posts. Some to all posters, some to just a couple people in particular. The roots of the problem lie well beyond the scope of anything that can be dealt with in this community. The moderators posting alot is a sign of alot of anger and frustration between members of byond here... maybe we should learn to forgive and forget. Actually it's a sign that certain people are just making a lot of trouble. Most or all of these would do so even absent any disputes, because again it's a respect problem. It's also a self-control problem, and most of these kids can't rein in their anger enough not to cuss in a post. Or, there are some who just don't apply the brains to realize they should snip language out of something they post--and that's not a hatred problem either, but again one of respect. Anger didn't make someone spam recently; it didn't make a couple of people make inappropriate posts. I've noticed, too, an increase in trollishness in the past few weeks. I think this is something that comes and goes, though; this wave should be mostly stamped out once the worst offenders are beaten down. What we basically have here is the equivalent of a couple of drunken guys getting rowdy in a crowd. Most of these will settle down a bit when told to. Lummox JR | |
Wow it sure is interesting that we have such a fabulous soap-opera here in a place where almost none of us have or will ever actually see our dabate partners...
...just a thought. -Vercingatorix | |
I guess you're right there is a major lack of respect for eachother here, specifically dbzers towards others because people spammed them for having a dbz game or just key... So in a way alot of it was caused by ignorance, by saying that dbzers are scum (sorta like bigotry in a way, it's all part of ignorance to me) is stereotyping and refusing to see that each dbzer is a different person really, etc.
So in a way, we've created the drunks, since they probably wouldn't be so spammy and rude if we didn't pick on them maybe? Of course there's many other cases here at byond... I think it's more when someone didn't go through and read all the forum rules(GOD FORBID, no one's actually going to go through and read them all really) and people yell at them for it and they get mad. There's also the cases when a person (usually newbie) posts something and doesn't give enough info, doesn't give something and people keep telling him he has to do it this way but he doesn't understand. It's hard to remember what it was like to be a newbie, but if you do look back I bet alot of us got the same treatment... That we're just newbies and we don't really deserve respect. Just a few opinions of mine :) | |
Jon Snow wrote:
I guess you're right there is a major lack of respect for eachother here, specifically dbzers towards others because people spammed them for having a dbz game or just key... So in a way alot of it was caused by ignorance, by saying that dbzers are scum (sorta like bigotry in a way, it's all part of ignorance to me) is stereotyping and refusing to see that each dbzer is a different person really, etc. Nope, you're going back to the fiction of ignorance being the cause again. (And bigotry isn't really from ignorance; it comes from exaggerating a stereotype into gospel, and using it as a basis for not just hatred, but for treating human beings as less than human.) Stereotyping isn't necessarily an evil in itself; it's just something that's easily abused. But from simple observation it's clear that there is a DBZer stereotype, that exists not because we label these people but because many of them are simply alike. Unfortunately one of the things that unites those who fit the stereotype is immaturity; we didn't create this problem by picking on them--in fact most of us don't really pick on the DBZers at all. It's just that some of them act badly on the forums, either from unfamiliarity with netiquette (even the common sense stuff) or lack of respect or being too easy to provoke. Plus there are some outright jerks, but they're the exception, not the rule. I think it's more when someone didn't go through and read all the forum rules(GOD FORBID, no one's actually going to go through and read them all really) and people yell at them for it and they get mad. I haven't seen that case too often. I think you're really trying to look at the entire problem of forum trolls through one particular perspective, but the problem is that perspective really doesn't fit most cases. (And nothing fits every case.) There's also the cases when a person (usually newbie) posts something and doesn't give enough info, doesn't give something and people keep telling him he has to do it this way but he doesn't understand. This is usually more obstinance than anything else. Not giving the info needed to solve the problem is generally not very smart, but some people figure this out and start posting that stuff, while others just habitually screw up again and again. The latter isn't so much a newbie thing as a stupidity thing. It's hard to remember what it was like to be a newbie, but if you do look back I bet alot of us got the same treatment... That we're just newbies and we don't really deserve respect. I got respected as a newbie, and I've respected other newbies myself. I think the people who fail to show that respect, though, are generally the ones who use derogatory terms like "newb" (or the atrocious leetspeak, "n00b"); they mistake being new for being an idiot, when the two are totally separate issues. (A person can of course be both.) Mostly I think this comes from a wrong-headed perspective that puts people on some kind of status ladder, so the type who treat newbies like they're nothing do so just to pretend they're on a higher rung. In fact people who do that are contemptible. Lummox JR | |
just curious Lummox, where did ya go to college?
You're a really smart guy I could see you going to some high up there college, of course it's a personal question but I'm just curious :P Hope you don't mind. If you're out of college what do you do for a living? By your intelligence I could see you fitting many general areas, like psychology, and programming. My 2 favorite areas :P | |
If Lummox went to college, that says something very disturbing about the state of our nation's liberal-controlled brainwashing apparatus.
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Lesbian Assassin wrote:
If Lummox went to college, that says something very disturbing about the state of our nation's liberal-controlled brainwashing apparatus. Actually there's lots of disturbing stuff to say about that apparatus, but thankfully I was insulated enough from it to keep a clear head. :) Lummox JR | |
Lesbian Assassin wrote:
If Lummox went to college, that says something very disturbing about the state of our nation's liberal-controlled brainwashing apparatus. Perhaps it demonstrates the irresistible force of the talk-radio and cable-news juggernaut. :) | |
Perhaps it demonstrates the irresistible force of the talk-radio and cable-news juggernaut. :) Oh, but everyone knows we liberals control the media! The newspaper editors, the talking heads, and the call-in shows are always complaining about this. | |
Jon Snow wrote:
just curious Lummox, where did ya go to college? Actually I went to a community college, and picked up two degrees: One in computer science, one in electrical engineering (the latter basically just to learn about it). My goal was to be a professional programmer, though, and in this field a fancy degree doesn't matter as much next to experience, unless you want to get into the kinds of major-salary jobs where you end up moving every 2 years and changing companies every year and a half. That wasn't for me. You're a really smart guy I could see you going to some high up there college, of course it's a personal question but I'm just curious :P Hope you don't mind. My problem was, I despised paperwork. I couldn't stand the thought of the extra papers and dissertations and research going into a full 4-year degree. None of that would have any impact on my ability to do my intended job, and it would just be a lot of unnecessary stress. Plus, it'd be expensive. And on top of that, as I mentioned above it would be preparing me (well, not exactly, but perhaps "grooming") only for a higher-up job than I ever had in mind. I'd be overqualified for what I wanted to do. If you're out of college what do you do for a living? By your intelligence I could see you fitting many general areas, like psychology, and programming. My 2 favorite areas :P I'm a programmer. I've been programming since I was a kid, so it was natural to me. Psychology is definitely not my area, though--I veered seriously away from any of the medical professions. Lummox JR | |
Lummox JR wrote:
Ignorance is rarely the root of hate; this is a PC myth, oft-repeated in spite of its inanity. It's a nice little fiction to think you can just educate someone out of being hateful, but the deepest and most enduring kinds of hatred (not so much bigotry, mind you, which is a slightly different matter) come from knowing your enemy well. This may fall under bigotry and therefore not contradict what you are saying, but I thought I'd mention that experience in the gay community has shown that exposure to a person known as gay -- even by someone who remains homophobic -- reduces the negative feelings and anxiety. At least when it comes to gay people, a lot of society believes and behaves in a certain way until they meet and interact with people they know to be gay, after which they change their behavior and beliefs. This results in an interesting phenomenon: In a society like the US, broad exposure to gay people and issues quickly turns gays from being the most discriminated against group to one of the more quickly and broadly accepted minorities. That change is still in process, but given the lightning progress in the last 20 years, it's possible to imagine that in 50 years on large parts of the planet gays will be completely and implicitly accepted. The fact that this hasn't been and most likely won't be true for many other minority groups -- who people interact with regularly while maintaining bigoted attitudes -- also shows there may be something unique at work in this case. | |
I agree with most of that, and can even relate to it; I wouldn't call myself a homophobe or anything, but I do slightly despise the thought of homosexuality. (I do not, however, despise a homosexual person. People make their own choices and are guided by nature in others; while I may or may not think of those as the wrong choices or occurrences, they're still good people, regardless of what they believe in. Unless, of course, they're not good people (a couple forum-dwellers come to mind, but I'll refrain from naming names).)
Anyway, my point is, I had a severe basic shunning of homosexuality (I have my brain, my friends, my heterosexuality, and the media to blame for that). Nowadays, I'm far more tolerant. | |
I second that.