Lexy's Guide to Cartoon Watching

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Feb 20 2002, 3:23 am
In response to Spuzzum
Here is the ways to solve the problem.
1) get imports **Not too much more**
2) Get Kazaa or morpheus and find uncut episodes.
2 1/2) Go to your local Sam Goody or Electronics Botique and buy an uncut episode. There is a major difference, and i rarely watch any of it on Toonami.
Feb 20 2002, 6:45 am
In response to ACWraith
ACWraith wrote:
Overall, DBZ is made for Japanese 12 year olds. I just tend to like it because I never got to see those things when I was younger. It's not a great show, it's just better than a lot of the crap I was fed.

Well I have seen a clip of a Japanese episode which is the part where Gotenks fights Buu in the Room of Spirit and Time and Gotenks curses abit.

This is alittle snip from his sentence Gotenks says while fighting Buu.

"Shit. He's f*****g toying with me"

I stared out the "F" word because I dont want to get shouted at from either Dan or Tom. But in the episode Gotenks actually says it with no staring or blocking out.

So whether its just my instinct or not, I believe that cursing isnt for the young at heart. I believe that its more of an adult content unless the Japanese children are actually aloud to curse in their natural daily life.

Lee
Feb 20 2002, 7:43 am
In response to SonVegitto
SonVegitto wrote:
Here is the ways to solve the problem.
1) get imports **Not too much more**
2) Get Kazaa or morpheus and find uncut episodes.
2 1/2) Go to your local Sam Goody or Electronics Botique and buy an uncut episode. There is a major difference, and i rarely watch any of it on Toonami.

I would, but I don't speak Japanese. =P
Feb 20 2002, 7:45 am
In response to Spuzzum
Spuzzum wrote:
SonVegitto wrote:
Here is the ways to solve the problem.
1) get imports **Not too much more**
2) Get Kazaa or morpheus and find uncut episodes.
2 1/2) Go to your local Sam Goody or Electronics Botique and buy an uncut episode. There is a major difference, and i rarely watch any of it on Toonami.

I would, but I don't speak Japanese. =P

Not a problem--it's more interesting if you make up your own dialogue (This is mostly true of cartoons in general, not a slam against DBZ).
Feb 20 2002, 7:52 am
In response to Mellifluous
Mellifluous wrote:
So whether its just my instinct or not, I believe that cursing isnt for the young at heart. I believe that its more of an adult content unless the Japanese children are actually aloud to curse in their natural daily life.

Japanese culture is radically different from Western culture. Among other things, they have much more open attitudes about sexuality. While they are exsposing their children to what we consider vulgarities, they are also instilling a deep sense of group responsibilty that prevents them from acting irresponsibly with the things they learn.

In Western cultures, we try to hide it from children and are ashamed to discuss sexual matters, so our children don't come to us about it until they are already pregnant or have an STD.

Put aside your cultural background for a second and think about it. Is the F word really that bad? Is it something that adults should fear discussing with their children? If adults don't treat the word with such feelings of fear, loathing, and reverence then kids won't use it as a way to lash out.

I know some people will call me a hypocrite, since I strictly enforce profanity standards in games I host. I personally don't care what you say. However, I will not have people using my games as a medium to expose children to things their parent's don't want them reading. If I want Tanks to be a family game, I must live with my culture's family standards. I have a strong feeling that the children who rail against my TANKing profanity filter and say Tanks isn't a family game wouldn't be playing at all if I locked it against anyone without some sort of online adult verification.
Feb 20 2002, 11:01 am
In response to SonVegitto
SonVegitto wrote:
Here is the ways to solve the problem.
1) get imports **Not too much more**

I still hate the imported Dragonball.

2) Get Kazaa or morpheus and find uncut episodes.

Those both have Spyware, no thanks.

2 1/2) Go to your local Sam Goody or Electronics Botique and buy an uncut episode. There is a major difference, and i rarely watch any of it on Toonami

Not one of those here.
Feb 20 2002, 11:27 am
In response to Nadrew
Those both have Spyware, no thanks.


Whats Spyware?
Feb 20 2002, 12:08 pm
In response to Devil Man
Programs that load invisibly and collect information on what you're doing on the internet, then send it to a server somewhere. Its supposed to be for advertising, bulk statistics, etc.. but the principle of being spied upon is none-too-pleasant. Sometimes they do other things and just never tell you that they're also spyware (like Gator, or CometCursor), and you can often choose to not install them. Some file-sharing programs that are packaged with spyware don't give you that option, though (such as Audiogalaxy).

-AbyssDragon
Feb 20 2002, 12:13 pm
In response to AbyssDragon
Well thanks for shedding some insight on that. Thanks.
Feb 20 2002, 12:30 pm
In response to AbyssDragon
Always run ad-aware after anything you download, if you don't have ad-aware DOWNLOAD IT! Also, Spyware can delete files on your computer at will.
Feb 20 2002, 12:33 pm
In response to Nadrew
Also, Spyware can delete files on your computer at will.

Sure, it could. So could BYOND if Dan and Tom wanted it to.
I've never heard of any Spyware that delete files, though. It's mostly just viruses that do that.

-AbyssDragon
Feb 20 2002, 12:36 pm
In response to AbyssDragon
Actually I read somewhere that spyware can delete any file without your knowledge. And that it tends to delete important system files if you try to delete it the wrong way (which ad-aware takes care of).
Feb 20 2002, 12:36 pm
In response to Lesbian Assassin
Hey Lexy. I understand your dislike for Dragonball Z, a lot of my friends think its a pretty bad show. Truthfully, the corny jokes, bad translation and ridiculous events of the show can be pretty bad at times. The show is aimed at little kids, at least for the american translation, which makes it almost embarassing at times. However, I completely love Dragonball Z. Not for any of the stuff mentioned above, but for the fundamental ideology of the show. Goku as a character represents the most ideal personality I could ever imagine existing. As an individual, his entire focus is on strengthening his character and his body. He approaches all problems with a masterful understanding and an enthusiastic optimism. Goku's entire training regimen is focussed on mastering the current level of his physical form and gaining insights into the next. Goku's entire life is based on finding the next great challenge that will bring him to his limits.
The other characters in the show are interesting too, like Picollo. I've always liked him as a character because he is driven by his desire to defeat Goku at first, but as a result of his own insight and strength of character, must eventually accept the truth of his situation and battle for the sake of his planet.
The events of Dragonball Z might not be very sensical, the insane growth of physical and metaphysical strength are a little ridiculous, but Dragonball Z represents something that is a lot more important to me than those factors. It is almost an ideology, but I believe that what you say is a skewed and wrong interpretation is actually 100% valid. Only by developing personal honesty and building strength within can the fighters in Dragonball Z truly develop. There are those with pure physical strength, but in the end they always succumb to strength of character.
I apologize if this post is long, but I have been studying the show for awhile and trying to gain understanding into it.
Keep in mind though, that the reasons I love Dragonball Z are exactly what make it difficult to translate into a videogame of real substance. Perhaps Dragonball fans who have similar feelings will be slower to produce their next cheap game and instead give the situation some deeper thought.
Feb 20 2002, 2:51 pm
In response to Skysaw
Skysaw wrote:
Lesbian Assassin wrote:
Witness the elaborate 'The Prisoner' episode.

Personally I thought that episode was rather weak. My partner disagrees...but I felt the jokes were poor and they didn't capture the essence of the series the way, say, the "Homer works at MicroSoft" show captured some great stuff about spy movies.

We're currently watching through The Prisoner again, this time with the recently released DVDs.


Aside from the complete Simpson/Prisoner episode, there was another reference to it in the episode where the family joins a cult.

I almost forgot: Living & Dead has a Prisoner-inspired weapon: The bubble gun!

However it works rather differently than in the series.
Feb 20 2002, 3:23 pm
In response to Lesbian Assassin
The Dragonball shows (and most dubbed anime I've seen) suffer from the same disparity. The voice for Goku isn't that bad... the guy mostly just says his lines the way a person actually would... but the other characters? I've managed to enjoy subtitled cartoons from Japan... but how the flying truck am I supposed to take a show seriously when the voices are overexaggerated to the point that parody becomes redundant?

I actually think most of it is a o-k job for the voices (although japanese/asian versions are MUCH better because I think thats what it should sound like), but there are some where it actually sounds real good. the reason it doesn't sound that good is because the japanese language isn't as slow as ours basicly. Say Hello in a normal tone, say Ohiyo (pronounced ohio) Wazimus (not spelt right, but pronounced wa-si-mus), but it is said faster, allot faster, so you some how have to translate "Ohiyo wazimus, Goku son" to "Hello Goku" for dragonball while having the speed of their voice and match their mouth for two differant countries. It also sounds differant because it was intended for japanese listeners, thus spoke in japanese. One pretty good voice one was Cowboy Bepob (or bepop) which had voices that sound pretty fitting.
Feb 20 2002, 3:26 pm
In response to Leftley
Leftley wrote:
Spuzzum wrote:
SonVegitto wrote:
Here is the ways to solve the problem.
1) get imports **Not too much more**
2) Get Kazaa or morpheus and find uncut episodes.
2 1/2) Go to your local Sam Goody or Electronics Botique and buy an uncut episode. There is a major difference, and i rarely watch any of it on Toonami.

I would, but I don't speak Japanese. =P

Not a problem--it's more interesting if you make up your own dialogue (This is mostly true of cartoons in general, not a slam against DBZ).

Or get a full japanese dictionary and a tape that teaches japanese. thats what I did. I'm also learning German and Vietnamese.
Feb 20 2002, 3:34 pm
In response to ACWraith
I think Monster Rancher, although it looks like it was aimed for kids a little, is great. Digimon is also pretty good.
Feb 20 2002, 3:48 pm
In response to Shadowdarke
Japanese culture is radically different from Western culture. Among other things, they have much more open attitudes about sexuality. While they are exsposing their children to what we consider vulgarities, they are also instilling a deep sense of group responsibilty that prevents them from acting irresponsibly with the things they learn.

In Western cultures, we try to hide it from children and are ashamed to discuss sexual matters, so our children don't come to us about it until they are already pregnant or have an STD.

Put aside your cultural background for a second and think about it. Is the F word really that bad? Is it something that adults should fear discussing with their children? If adults don't treat the word with such feelings of fear, loathing, and reverence then kids won't use it as a way to lash out.

I know some people will call me a hypocrite, since I strictly enforce profanity standards in games I host. I personally don't care what you say. However, I will not have people using my games as a medium to expose children to things their parent's don't want them reading. If I want Tanks to be a family game, I must live with my culture's family standards. I have a strong feeling that the children who rail against my TANKing profanity filter and say Tanks isn't a family game wouldn't be playing at all if I locked it against anyone without some sort of online adult verification.

I fully agree. After all, if we try to teach "words dont hurt you" then why do we have word's such as that which we hide?
Feb 20 2002, 4:43 pm
In response to Nadrew
Nadrew wrote:
Always run ad-aware after anything you download, if you don't have ad-aware DOWNLOAD IT! Also, Spyware can delete files on your computer at will.

Yikes! I just downloaded ad-aware and found 44 "instances" of spyware goodies.
Feb 20 2002, 7:45 pm
In response to Cybergen
The events of Dragonball Z might not be very sensical, the insane growth of physical and metaphysical strength are a little ridiculous, but Dragonball Z represents something that is a lot more important to me than those factors. It is almost an ideology, but I believe that what you say is a skewed and wrong interpretation is actually 100% valid.

I'd like to draw your attention to the bolded statements... and say WTF? If you admit that the growth levels of physical and pmetaphysical strength are ridiculous, how can you question my belief that DBZ presents a poor interpretation of its core ideology?

Only by developing personal honesty and building strength within can the fighters in Dragonball Z truly develop.

No one is questioning that this is a good lesson. It's a great lesson. DBZ is just a lousy teacher. It starts with a good lesson, but layers on so much garbage that in the end, you're swallowing 99.99% garbage for 0.01% enlightenment.

I mean, if I come up to you on the street corner and say, "1+1=2, therefore I am the walking embodiment of the great ineffable Slinky of Power and I will harness the cows of righteousness to my sled of truth and plow the sky!", would you say that I'm speaking the truth, because I started with a true statement?

Anyways, regardless of what lessons/messages are said, the actual underlying core message that Dragonball shows (and actions speak louder than words) is that you can measure a person's worth by measuring their power/prowess as a fighter. Trials are in essence conducted by combat, and so the lesson it teaches is: might makes right. They may phrase it as "righteousness makes you mighty", but in reality, that philosophy plays out in reverse.
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