In response to CaptFalcon33035
I know because I keep perfect care of all my games or media. Even my PS1 games were close to flawless. Thats how I know. It should be a piece of cake, but it isn't. Look at the Xbox 360, over half of the library of the Xbox games don't even work. I feel Sony will take the same stance as Microsoft on the updates.
In response to Revenant Jesus
Well if my PS1 games keep cutting out the music for god knows why Sony is going to get alot of angry letters.
In response to Revenant Jesus
You are very correct! The Gamecube never lost money, in fact it produced a BUTT LOAD of income for Nintendo. Of course most Nintendo's money did come from the Nintendo gameboy advances success for so many years, along with the nintendo 64 being extremely profitable... the gamecube was super cheap to make, and had an EXTREMELY lower amount of hardware failures compared to xbox and ps2.

Even though it may have not been the most popular system, the gamecube was cheap enough and had some really good party games that often times most people had a ps2 and a gamecube, or an xbox and a gamecube. Compared to what consoles cost today, you could have had an xbox, ps2 and gamecube for the price of a 360.

Nintendo's been so profitable over the years that their market shares (last I checked) were coming up on Sony's. So eat your heart out nonbelievers, the numbers are there.
In response to Revenant Jesus
mario kart double dash... still play it to this day when I have drunk buddies over and we get bored. Great game!
In response to Lummox JR
Nintendo is kicking ass and taking names.

I work as a manager at Best Buy and to this day if we get ANY wii's in they're gone that day in a few hours. We tally how many calls we get on the wii's (since our customer reps don't have anything better to do) and we get about 20 or more phone calls a day asking if we have a wii in.

They're just killing Microsoft and Sony.

Microsoft likes to pretend they're Nintendo by only releasing small amounts of Elite systems... to make it seem like they're in high demand... but the only time anyone actually buys an Elite is when they're exchanging a broken system and we don't have an premiums left to exchange them out for because the casualty rate for them at our store is 42%.

That's right. At our store 42% of our xbox 360's come back due to hardware failure.
In response to WarLin
Maybe that's a good thing. Game addiction I think should start to be considered a serious problem. So many people play games multiple hours a day, and maybe the shorter longevity (as in only fun for a few hours) games are better for kids especially who shouldn't be playing games all day.

I consider it a blessing. I play a few minutes with my friends, have a blast and then we move on to the real world.
In response to Lummox JR
Lummox JR wrote:
Rockinawsome wrote:
Microsoft generally speaking has higher quality games than Sony's PS1 or PS2 line up. This is because the playstation was the model T of game consoles.

Gads your history is lacking. The Atari 2600 was the Model T of game consoles. The PS1 would likely be considered more of a Cadillac or a Thunderbird.

See, I always pictured the ps1 as the piece of junk and the n64 as the better console which actually used cartridges and didn't have any load times. Man I miss cartridges, I know they're more expensive to produce and harder to develop on but they were damn convenient and allowed the developer to place more memory in the cartridge itself.

Also, comparing the PS1 and Xbox are kind of pointless, since the XBox came quite a bit later. PS2 and Xbox make a fairer comparison, since they're the same generation, although the Xbox still came later.

I was really comparing the ps2 to the Xbox. I just lumped the playstation consoles together in my post, whoops.


While the quality is (or will be) there, volume is pretty important to justify the price of the console itself, and the difference in quality isn't that huge a leap. The completely new direction the PS3 has taken Sony in is right down the toilet. That's not to say it's a bad machine, but the decisions on pricing were so horrifically bad as to cause the company serious long-term harm, and they're still making bad decisions (and bad press releases) due to their inability to grasp the seriousness of their earlier missteps. Sony is hemorrhaging money. They lose over $200 per console on the PS3 for every unit they actually sell; they've sold far fewer than they've shipped.

Yeah, I totally called Sony's slump before they ever launched the PS3.

The only company taking truly new directions is Nintendo, since they chose to target a largely untapped market--and so far it's paying off bigtime.

Sony's latest version of the playstation out-performs Microsoft's latest version of the XBOX: I'd call that a new direction.

About the only good news Sony has is that Microsoft is as oblivious to as they are. Microsoft has had several huge opportunities to crush Sony by making certain strategic moves, and they've just blown it at every turn. The one thing Microsoft did right before E3 was announce they would be extending all warranties on 360s for the "red ring of death" (which some analysts speculate caused up to a 30% failure rate) to 3 years. This put attention back on the games instead of on reliability. Problem is, Microsoft failed to take the obvious followup and really show much from those games at E3, choosing instead to rely on all their titles later in the year to apparently sell themselves without the benefit of E3 hype. Had they hammered home the message that by the end of the year, the 360's armada of games will far outclass the PS3's, they could have hurt Sony badly.

I kind of wonder though if the heads of microsoft actually want to break sony. I mean, it's good for buisness (at least in the short-run), but maybe there's actually some comradery among console makers. Heck, if I was Bill Gates I wouldn't want people pissed at me because I drove Sony out of the game industry. It's just a thought.

In response to CaptFalcon33035
PS3 has had one decent marketing scheme they did outside the Blockbuster deal.

They had a few weeks where at Best Buy you could buy a TV and get 600 bucks off it when you bought a PS3. Basically you got a free PS3.

In reality we mark up our TV's sometimes more than 50% so when you spend 2500 dollars and we take 600 off we're still making like 700-1000 dollars in profit. So it all works out.

The margin on tv's shrinks as you go smaller size, so like 32 inches is about where it cuts off where the margin is very close to the actual cost of the system. They only offered the 600 dollars off on 2500 dollar units.
In response to Rockinawsome
Rockinawsome wrote:
The only company taking truly new directions is Nintendo, since they chose to target a largely untapped market--and so far it's paying off bigtime.

Sony's latest version of the playstation out-performs Microsoft's latest version of the XBOX: I'd call that a new direction.

Oneupmanship is not a new direction; it's the very same direction. Problem is, a Cray outperforms a 360 as well, but most people can't afford one. The PS3 makes people pay a very high price for that performance.

I kind of wonder though if the heads of microsoft actually want to break sony. I mean, it's good for buisness (at least in the short-run), but maybe there's actually some comradery among console makers. Heck, if I was Bill Gates I wouldn't want people pissed at me because I drove Sony out of the game industry. It's just a thought.

It wouldn't be seen that way. Sony is driving Sony out of the gaming industry. All Microsoft has to do is capitalize on that. They have so far failed to do so.

Lummox JR
In response to Jon Snow
You know, that reminds me that I never see Best Buy marketing HD-DVD. They might sell the players, but all of their HD-TVs are advertised playing something like Ice Age or Chicken Little trailers on Blu-Ray. Is it like that for everyone? Do they also have a deal with Sony?
In response to Rockinawsome
I'm so sad that no one ever mentions hunter the reckoning! I can't remember how many countless hours me and my roomates spent playing that game when we were in college.
In response to Lummox JR
Yes but I can see Sony's marketing scheme starting to show it's true colors.

They just recently announced that they're going to be remaking a ton of PS1 games, and as time goes on they said they were going to be remaking some of the more popular ps2 games.

Basically all they're doing is adding better graphics and perhaps physics to some of their games, which basically they learned from nintendo is cheaper then making a whole new game and generates a lot of income.

Still, by doing so they can market these new titles as stand alone titles... and rake in a ton of money at the ps3 game price point, while cutting back costs on having to have hardware emulation (basically forcing people to buy the new versions).

Microsoft sort of did something simular by removing production of anything regular xbox, forcing people to move to the new system to play anything new.

Picture for a moment the extremely rare and popular PS1 games remade... it's about the ONLY thing that could save the PS3 at this point in time.

Final fantasy 7,8, and 9 remade. Xenogears, Suikoden, all those great games remade with ps3 graphics... probably half hte production costs of making a brand new game, and just about everyone who has played these games would be extremely interested in replaying them with the new graphics.

It's sad to see that the gaming industry has taken the marketing from the movie industry... remaking old popular titles for easy cash. They're just selling water, because they know most everyone will drink it.
Hey? What can I say?
They can always try again next year ;D!
In response to WarLin
WarLin wrote:
Hey? What can I say?
They can always try again next year ;D!

Given the rate they're still digging themselves into a hole, it's questionable how much clout they'll still have next year.

Lummox JR
In response to Revenant Jesus
Revenant Jesus wrote:
Mecha Destroyer JD wrote:
Meh, people keep saying the Gamecube was a failure as if they just stopped making games for it. It was a financial failure, but not a failure to the fans. They had games coming out for it up until the Wii came out, a true failure wouldn't last that long. I would say the Gamecube still has games coming out for it, but I don't know how true that is...0_0

The Gamecube was never a finical failure. Nintendo knows how to build systems and they know how to do it cheaply as well. Even when the Nintendo Gamecube first came out, it was making money, not loosing it, like so many other companies tend to do. It wasn't until the Gamecube price dropped to about $50 did Nintendo ever even begin to loose money on that system.


By financial failure I mean not selling as well as say the NES, SNES, N64 or Wii is doing now. They admitted that themselves even though they never lost money. And believe me, I'm a huge fan of Nintendo.
In response to Jon Snow
Jon Snow wrote:
PS3 has had one decent marketing scheme they did outside the Blockbuster deal.

I'd give them two. I ehard in Japan or something, they gave out free HD-Tvs to ,aybe the first 100 people to buy a PS3. I definitely would have done that if I had the cash, just for the TV. :D
In response to Jon Snow
Jon Snow wrote:
I'm so sad that no one ever mentions hunter the reckoning! I can't remember how many countless hours me and my roomates spent playing that game when we were in college.

lol! I was actually thinking of that game a short while after I made my post listing great XBOX games. It was one of the games that got stolen from me when my house got broke into but that I re-purchased anyway.
In response to Mecha Destroyer JD
Mecha Destroyer JD wrote:
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You also failed to mention that the Wii's Medal of Honor game will have up to 32 players..Hopefully, they don't mean npcs..x.x

This doesn't mean anything if the game's as awful as the last Wii MoH game.
In response to CaptFalcon33035
CaptFalcon33035 wrote:
Power means a number of things:
1. More fun and action-packed games.2. More realistic games for people who like them.3. Shorter load times.


haha what?

Power means this: MORE FUN.

yeah, maybe you should stick to blast processing, CaptFalcon.
In response to Jon Snow
Jon Snow wrote:
mario kart double dash... still play it to this day when I have drunk buddies over and we get bored. Great game!

Someone who knows what im talking about. Double dash is so fun to play with if you got friends who know how to play it and supersmash melee. Those are probably the only two games you need for the GC to keep you entertained for a very long time.

The wii is going to beat the GC+Nes+snes that is what i think. The games they are coming out with and the other developers are sure bringing something cool. I just saw the latest trailer of Dragon Blade Wrath of Fire:
http://uk.gamespot.com/video/941527/6175059/ dragon-blade-wrath-of-fire-stage-demo-1
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