Nick231 wrote:
You were already able to sort by channel with the old system. Except those were rarely updated. You had to go to unpublished to find new games. We didn't have a concept of unpublished for each channel. Just give it a chance for now. It's a work in progress. | |
No.
I don't see what the big deal is about just leaving the lives game the way it is. I just ended up book marking the work around. Although there is ONE thing I can admit I like, I see the games in the guild categories now have a different rank. So instead of a Dragonball Z Rip taking the #1 place over all other games, it is only taking the #1 rank in the Anime category. | |
Revenant Jesus wrote:
So instead of a Dragonball Z Rip taking the #1 place over all other games, it is only taking the #1 rank in the Anime category. That still pisses me off, but atleast BYOND isn't being noobified like how it was before. | |
Tom wrote:
Just give it a chance for now. It's a work in progress. Revenant Jesus wrote: No. So basically what you're saying is that the old system was perfect in every conceivable way, and no other system could never ever even approach that level of perfection, no matter what, period. Good news, BYOND staff! You can revert all your recent work and go back to your day jobs now, because (according to Mr Jesus here) BYOND was already perfect in its old state. No more improvements are required, or even possible. See ya! | |
I just want to know how the games that are listed on the front page for each guild are selected. It's not exactly random, and it certainly isn't rank-based...
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I never said it was perfect Crispy, as a matter of fact, I don't see the word "perfect" anywhere in that post.
This is how I feel: There was no reason, ever to change the way the "Games Live!" link worked at all, there was no reason to remove the link to the unpublished area. All I see this as is a new way to get people to pay money out to BYOND. And I don't mind that, I think BYOND deserves the money they earn, but not when it feels forced. First they take away some of the pager privilages from BYOND users who aren't paying members. Then they turn around, break the "Games Live!" link and change the way the games are listed. If that wasn't bad enough, you can't even join these "Guilds" that are SUPPOSED to make finding games easier unless you are a paid member. So now, unless I decide to fork over money my game gets to stay in unpublished area for ever. What is it going to be next? Paid Members will be the only people allowed to post on the forums? And everyone else can simply only read? Oh, oh wait, I know! How about, you can make games with BYOND, but if you even want your game listed on the HUB you have to pay for that? | |
Revenant Jesus wrote:
So now, unless I decide to fork over money my game gets to stay in unpublished area for ever. No. Nonmember's games are in the channels, which you would know if you were actually a developer. *Edit* Check the link Tom posted (http://members.byond.com/?command=view_unpublished_games) Only those games are currently outside the guilds, and not for long. | |
Revenant Jesus wrote:
All I see this as is a new way to get people to pay money out to BYOND. And I don't mind that, I think BYOND deserves the money they earn, but not when it feels forced. The software will always be free is what they said. They never said anything about the hub being free. This isn't their secret scheme to force people to pay money to BYOND: it's to stop people (including myself) from complaining about the massive amounts of rips in the old "Unpublished Games" listing for example. First they take away some of the pager privilages from BYOND users who aren't paying members. Their reason? It was often used for spam, annoying STA messages and other crap: it was a huge bandwidth cost. By making it BYOND Members-only, they've gotten themselves a bit more money to pay off the server and themselves with. Then they turn around, break the "Games Live!" link and change the way the games are listed. Because people were complaining about how the games were disorganized. All the games were essentially stuck in one big list, and the addition of all those rips weren't giving BYOND a very good image either. If that wasn't bad enough, you can't even join these "Guilds" that are SUPPOSED to make finding games easier unless you are a paid member. So now, unless I decide to fork over money my game gets to stay in unpublished area for ever. I don't think this will happen. While I do agree that you should be a BYOND Member if you want your game to be listed in other guilds, the official ones should remain for all members to use. What is it going to be next? Paid Members will be the only people allowed to post on the forums? And everyone else can simply only read? If rants like these are kept up, they might just decide to do that. Oh, oh wait, I know! How about, you can make games with BYOND, but if you even want your game listed on the HUB you have to pay for that? Then that's their choice. It doesn't prohibit you from advertising your game in any other way (such as making your own hub). If they'd ever do such a thing, I'd be the first person to design a new hub system for the freebies. | |
I don't see any difference between you complaining about the way the old way was handled and the way other people, including me are complaining about the way the new way is handled.
God, then let those people complain. They could have easily implemented the new guilds system while still having the old games live listing. They didn't need to break it, we could have had BOTH. I want you to stop mentioning the rips, because if it was really that much trouble, if it was really one of the core reasons why they changed the way the listings worked, they would have done something else, like banned fan games. I don't care about joining a member guild, but I was told that you can't join any of the guilds unless you are a BYOND member. | |
Revenant Jesus wrote:
I don't care about joining a member guild, but I was told that you can't join any of the guilds unless you are a BYOND member. You have to be a member to join a guild (though not necessarily to post to their forums and such), but you don't have to be a member to have your game listed by any guild or Member. Just like it's always been with Members. | |
Revenant Jesus wrote:
I don't see any difference between you complaining about the way the old way was handled and the way other people, including me are complaining about the way the new way is handled. Before: [link] After: [link] God, then let those people complain. They could have easily implemented the new guilds system while still having the old games live listing. They didn't need to break it, we could have had BOTH. Method #1: http://games.byond.com/ Method #2: http://games.byond.com/hub/BYOND;view=live;startitem=0 I want you to stop mentioning the rips, because if it was really that much trouble, if it was really one of the core reasons why they changed the way the listings worked, they would have done something else, like banned fan games. BYOND Staff has very strict rules about interfering with this sort of thing. They're not going to interfere with fan-games because a) it's too much trouble and b) they might have to interfere with non-fan-games (such as your own game?) as well. | |
Mike H wrote:
Be aware that the above will most likely go away sometime in the future with another update. Could be tomorrow, could be next year, but as of now it's not supported. Future updates may break it, or we may simply decide to clean things up and get rid of the old cruft in the site. Don't get too attached... The day that happens and the system isn't working well enough, I will have to leave out of having to take 7 more minutes to find a game. | |
RedlineM203 wrote:
Bookmark it, you will need it for a while. I will? Oh. Because I find it just as easy, if not easier, to find a good game to play with this system. Mainly because I don't like anime trash, and because I can go straight to the RPG's =) | |
Mike H wrote:
Lummox JR wrote: Good. Don't cater to these complainers on here. If they don't like it, they'll leave. We won't be missing too much. =) | |
Banning fan games sounds simple enough, but there's some essential problems.
1) "Fan game" is not an essential property of the code or the game; you can't do something like "if (fan_game == 1) then del." Solution? BYOND Staff and/or select volunteers have to look at every single game that's made. 2) BYOND has no barriers to entry... anybody can download the package, anybody can make a game, anybody can publicize a game through the hub. Okay, that in itself is not a problem... in fact, it's BYOND's main virtue... except when you undertake to ban a type of game that many people are drawn to BYOND specifically to make. Fan games could be created more quickly than they can be found and blocked (especially considering the low bar for quality)... So, there are two possible ways of handling it: have fan games exist and show up until they're caught and blocked, and then you run into the problem of "Well, there was a DBZ/Naruto game here when I joined, so I thought it was okay." and "Well, you blocked my game but you missed this one so it's abuse of power!"... ...or not have any games show up until they've been checked and screened... which results in kind of the same situation we have now, that you're decrying. Either way, it wouldn't stop people from making fan games... just publicizing them on BYOND. There's no practical way to ban a certain type of game from being made in the editors on individuals' computers, compiled on individuals' computers, and hosted from individuals' computers... not without putting intrusive spyware-like stuff in DM and DS that somehow authenticates whether or not the game is "approved"... and dear goth in heathen, nobody wants that. Whether it was the main intention or not, they've found a less extreme, less intrusive way of stopping the rips from flooding out the original games... why shouldn't we mention that as a positive benefit? And as for "let the people complain"... saying things like "You have to be a member to get your game listed." when anybody can check and verify that this statement is not true isn't simply complaining... it's spreading misinformation that's actually damaging to the reputation of BYOND (so, uh, stop fricking doing it. Please.) The BYOND Staff would actually have a bit of a vested interest in quashing that kind of talk outright, but they haven't... they simply try to redirect conversation to this one place. Why? Because otherwise people could be spreading all sorts of crazy rumors... not maliciously, but that's just what happens when people are quick to jump to the worst conclusion... and there would be no one central place to find the authoritative answers. | |
Tiberath wrote:
Lummox JR wrote: I do agree here. Most of the guilds have an ugly, unprofessional black layout that makes things hard to read and such. I'd leave such customization for individual member blogs, not for the main pages BYONDers will be using. | |
What about if you *shock horrors* be patient, and let the games be placed into the genres. It's OBVIOUSLY not going to happen all at once. As Jon said below this, if there are games that don't fit into a specific genre, then a new guild will probably be created. You're all freaking out over something that is new and isn't even finished yet.
Be PATIENT. Complain, if you must, when the new system is finished. What you're complaining about could simply change, and then you're complaints will be for nothing. | |
Koil wrote:
I do agree here. Most of the guilds have an ugly, unprofessional black layout that makes things hard to read and such. I'd leave such customization for individual member blogs, not for the main pages BYONDers will be using. I think the Official Guilds have done a pretty good job so far with their CSS's. BYOND RPG's could use some work, but overall I thought they looked nice :( If you decide to use the Game's page CSS for official guilds, maybe some custom colors could be allowed? Just to compliment the guild's genre and make them slightly more unique while still being obviously apart of the BYOND site. | |
You were already able to sort by channel with the old system.