Rockinawsome wrote:

The Bible says sin is sin, and there is no way around it except through the mercy of Jesus Christ. Look, you brought it up - I'm just telling you what it means. The Bible portrays actions as black and white, but people can be forgiven of them.

The thing is, any sin is still a sin, you know that annoying Acronym that was placed on everything from bookbags to keychains? WWJD? Well, Jesus would have forgiven the gay people, he would even of befriended them (he was friends with the man he knew would deliver him to the cross, Judas), the difference is, he wouldn't have embraced their sin like some of the wayward churches are doing now, he would have said it was wrong, just as he said lieing, adultry, murder, etc. were wrong. A true Christian knows that gay people are to be treated kindly, as kind as anyone else, but there can be no comprimise when it comes to the meat and potatos of our faith.

Christians are to stand against the tides of darkness, to work out our faith with fear and trembling, and to uphold our faith despite persecution.

I bring this up because you errantly said "Instead, they're obliging to their religious lobbyists who are going against everything that the Bible's supposed to stand for (I am mainly speaking of "don't hate thy neighbor", or some crap along those lines). "

And, the Christian's & other religious factions are entitled to their own beliefs & practices - and, that's where it ends. As long as it doesn't effect me, or any other human being - who cares? As far as I see it, it's just as bad as legalized slavery. Certain politicians in the US Government & their supporters seem to like to control others' lives because, it doesn't fit their values or molds. And, that means we're turning our own citizens away from rights that is equally theirs to have & cherish. Well, Jack & Jill - I now pronounce you man & wife; sorry Adam & Steve - we don't allow "you people" to get married because, we're too full of our own pride & prejudice to see the larger picture in our flawed thinking. And, if ANYONE - and I mean ANYONE brings up that bogus argument about the marriage benefits being granted to homosexual couples would cost too much - I'll personally track you down & beat you with a stick the size of my choice.

Homosexuals. Blah. I hate them and I am not a believer in religion.

-Ryan

Ryne Rekab wrote:

Homosexuals. Blah. I hate them and I am not a believer in religion.

Homophobia. Blah. I hate it and I am not a believer in ignorance.

I'm not going to go on a killing spree of gays and/or jews don't worry...

Hell I just don't like the idea behind it. I mean come on... it's naturally wrong.

Male + Male = nothing
Female + Female = nothing
Male + Female = child
Male + Female + Female = fricken sweet....

-Ryan

The two chick weren't in any way together in my head. You're the one coming up with homosexual thoughts.

-Ryan

Yeah but what you've really got to think about is did those people wisen up the situation or was it just because of a very special episode of Friends.
I mean what percentage of the people polled know more about it than "we went to Iraq looking for WMDs, and there weren't any"?

Teh Governator wrote:

Let him have his opinion Wiz - it's his right, no matter how biased, or hatred motivated it may be - it's still his right.

I'm willing to ignore educated opinions that I don't like. But I really, really loath ignorance and hate.

Rockinawsome wrote:

The Bible says sin is sin, and there is no way around it except through the mercy of Jesus Christ. Look, you brought it up - I'm just telling you what it means. The Bible portrays actions as black and white, but people can be forgiven of them.

The thing is, any sin is still a sin, you know that annoying Acronym that was placed on everything from bookbags to keychains? WWJD? Well, Jesus would have forgiven the gay people, he would even of befriended them (he was friends with the man he knew would deliver him to the cross, Judas), the difference is, he wouldn't have embraced their sin like some of the wayward churches are doing now, he would have said it was wrong, just as he said lieing, adultry, murder, etc. were wrong. A true Christian knows that gay people are to be treated kindly, as kind as anyone else, but there can be no comprimise when it comes to the meat and potatos of our faith.

The thing is, just because you accept it doesn't mean you are embracing it. The US is not a place for religion to be thrown into the lives of those who don't follow it, remember seperation of church and state? If you care about the rights of people other than those in your religious community, then you would not try to force your beliefs on us through the government. When you look at our government, your not supposed to look at it from a religious standpoint, your supposed to look at it from a logical standpoint, religion and politics always harbors bad things.

Christians are to stand against the tides of darkness, to work out our faith with fear and trembling, and to uphold our faith despite persecution.

As an American it is my place to stand up for individual rights, to uphold the law, and respect others beliefs. You want people to respect your practices, yet you can't respect others, even if they don't involve you at all.

Rockinawsome wrote:

I'm advocating my beliefs, as are you.
I'm not forcing you to do a damn thing.
Nor did I say that I wanted religous domination in politics.
Also "seperation of church and state" I don't think was even part of the constitution, I think it was in a letter or something, and though I think it has a valid point, there is nothing wrong in voting or advocating the views of my religion, especially when the views of my religion helped shape the fabric of this country to begin with.

The difference is, is that my beliefs respect this country's constitution, your beliefs respects your religion. Your not looking out for whats best for the country as a whole, your looking out for whats best for the Church in the US. Also, the ideas of separation of church and state are in the constitution, but it is not specified with those exact words. Plus, Catholicism, which I assume you are a Catholic, did not shape this country, the people who came to populate the colonies were not Catholic, and even if in some alternate reality they were, it does not mean that just because of that their ideas are whats best for the growth of this country. The constitution mentions individual rights and respect for each others beliefs, especially if they don't cause any harm or problems to the populace. There is nothing wrong in your eyes to voting with your religious ideals in mind, but there is in mine, since I know that you are not going to be voting with the best intentions for the country, but with the best intentions for your religion. However, I don't ignore the fact that sometimes religions can promote better things for this country, but not in a ton of issues at this point in time. As I said, the constitution supports the respect of others beliefs and practices, unless they cause problems with others, when your beliefs interfere with you thinking logically and looking at a problem from all sides, then you are causing problems to the country as a whole. I'm not saying that your religion leads you to doing bad things for the country, because even if you based your political decisions more on logic you could still be wrong, but I'm saying that its preventing you from educating yourself and looking at the government from a logical standpoint, and this leads to an uneducated vote. Uneducated votes are the only kind of bad votes.

I'm protestant, and I have 3 ancestors that came over on the May Flower, John Turner, Joseph Turner, and some whats-his-bucket Turner. I'm not real up on my geneology but I get reminded of it often enough.

If I think that my views of my religion are best for the country, then what probelm is there?

Also, read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis, it's pretty logical - As am I. Don't dupe yourself into believing that people have a certain faith or religion only because they are illogical, perhaps that course is logical.