Guildon321 wrote:
Partner420 your right i dont even think zeta should even be sold cause its getting out of hand i can call the police and get all the names of you people who rip it. Its copyrighted SO GO AND TAKE YOUR STUPID RIP AND SHUV IT UP YO ASS STUPID NEWBIE RIPPER. I dont understand why the **** you stupid newbies do that code just find out how to code and DO THAT damn god. Dragonballz Zeta Classic 2 by Guildon321 This is Zeta Classic 2 i only take SOME credit not much thow..... erm..ermm... | |
I love how topics get dragged off the original topic.. Wait.. Just cause the forum is Off-Topic doesn't mean you can bring the topics in Off-Topic, off topic :-P
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you know what, your absolutely right.. next time i see an aids donation bin at the corner store im gonna tear it right off the counter! That's completely different.... the store has chosen to place it there. Now if you as a private individual came into the store and put up a collection box to benefit yourself, they (the store owner) would throw it out. People who solicit donations inside a Dragonball game are making money off of a copyrighted idea exactly the same way as if they charged for the game itself. That's all we're saying. You can't avoid the crime of selling drugs or selling stolen goods by "giving them away for a donation." | |
donation bins playing on the guilt of others when they are shopping is no different and no less illigal than having a donation verb on a fangame.
shove it, YOU people have no right, no claim, and no power enough to prevent people from having donation verbs in their games dbz or otherwise. I never really cared whether this was legal or not I just posted the actual laws of copyrighting because ive been dealing with them for the last 3 years god damnit. Lesbian Assassin, what PERSONAL artistic creation have you done inside or outside of byond that you made a profit on? Anyone? No? Well if you dont even have a business license shut it! | |
what im saying here is that the creator of the game (the store owner) has chosen to put his donation bin up. i fail to see the difference, and thank you.
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Dareb wrote:
you know what, your absolutely right.. next time i see an aids donation bin at the corner store im gonna tear it right off the counter! Beware! When you talk in non sequiturs, you're entering Gughunter country. I think I'll have a cheeseburger. | |
My last post on the subject:
Okay, if you're gonna mix metaphors then what if the store owner puts Mickey Mouse on the donation bin? That's using Disney's likenesses to extract donations. The point is they're using the likeness of beloved cartoon characters to make a profit. You posted the copyright law? Where? Only one who posted even part of it was me. Read the law, read an online FAQ, read ANYTHING except your own incoherent ramblings. Stop with your compulsive lies. Just a few days ago you mentioned that you haven't even graduated from high school and now you expect us to believe that you're an experienced adult making a living off your 'art'. In all the time you've posted here, you've demonstrated one thing consistently: You KNOW NOTHING. About ANYTHING. Admit that. Stop the lies. Stop the front. FYI: All my games now have a verb that says, "Dareb says, Donate money to the Dareb Foundation!" I'm using some of your icons to support this. I think it's illegal, but you don't, so what are you going to do? Then go out and learn something. | |
Delete the freakin thread. It's annoying how topics get pushed further back into the forum by other topics that are pointless.
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Dareb wrote:
what im saying here is that the creator of the game (the store owner) has chosen to put his donation bin up. i fail to see the difference, and thank you. Going back to the store analogy: The game author doesn't have the right to name his store in a way that violates copyright. I really don't get why you're still on about this. You demanded Lexy prove that donations did not have legal protection just as outright sales don't, and she did so, citing not only the law itself but examples of case law and how it applies. It was a cop-out to shift the burder of proof to her, but she decided to give you the proof you insisted on seeing. She made her point. That said, you then shifted to "But since Funimation said it's okay...", to which Lexy pointed out that Funimation can waive their rights, but that doesn't mean donations would be okay for all other copyrighted works as far as the law is concerned, because this is just a case of them waiving legal rights. But now, inexplicably, you've drifted back to saying donations are perfectly legal after all, even though that was already shot down. On the other hand, it's dumb of me to express surprise at that. Come on. Make at least some token attempt to be intellectually consistent in your arguments. You said in essence that taking donations for copyrighted works isn't illegal; Lexy proved that yes it is, but individuals can choose to ignore it. Then you said that's what you meant, and now you're saying the same thing you started off with all over again. You've just retreated to a position that got shelled out of existence. Pick a new one or concede that you don't know what you're talking about. And while you decide which to do, I'll just be placing a small wager.... Lummox JR | |
Dareb wrote:
donation bins playing on the guilt of others when they are shopping is no different and no less illigal than having a donation verb on a fangame. Except that if the bin is for a charity, it has to be authorized to collect for that charity and the person taking donations has to send them the money (and they have to accept it); anything less is fraud. And taking donations for a fangame is a way of making money off of it, whether anything was sold or not. There's no real legal distinction here and Lexy showed you as much directly in the legal code. Granted that's not the law of Canada, but copyright law is very similar in a lot of places and there's no way Canada's laws on the subject differ in this matter. (But hey, if they do, the burden of proof is on YOU this time.) shove it, YOU people have no right, no claim, and no power enough to prevent people from having donation verbs in their games dbz or otherwise. Well, we actually do if it's a derivative of our game. RaeKwon can't enforce that with the Zeta rips because he's not the rightful copyright holder. However if someone builds a new game on the foundation of Scream of the Stickster, I have a claim. If Assassins were copied from source code and altered, and a donation verb added, Lexy could nail the idiot who did it. If one of your games... oh, wait. I never really cared whether this was legal or not I just posted the actual laws of copyrighting because ive been dealing with them for the last 3 years god damnit. You didn't post the actual laws; it was Lexy who posted those. You posted your beliefs on what the laws are, and it'd be unfair to call them your interpretations of the law. I've seen you post a lot on copyright law in the time you've been around, and never once have your assertions shown any signs of "dealing with" it. It's closer to the truth to say you have an idea of how copyright law should work, in your opinion, and it may have been shaped partly on commentary from others but never on actual law. How adroitly you have ignored the exact legal code Lexy posted, glossing over its significance like a pebble skipping across a lake. And if this represents the sum total of your knowledge of copyright law, and I saw the first of it about a year ago, I shudder to think of what those first two years were like. Lesbian Assassin, what PERSONAL artistic creation have you done inside or outside of byond that you made a profit on? She made a profit on [link], her response to this (that is, your) post. It was very artistic. And since it was completely original, she has the copyright on it. Well if you dont even have a business license shut it! Which has what to do with what? Business licenses may be all the rage in Canada, but regarding copyright law they mean diddly crap. Any person can create original work and profit from it--or not, as they choose. Lummox JR | |
It's simple Lummox...Dareb's still filled with his dern communist thoughts and prejudices!!! Down with Communism!!! ARGH!!!
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I'm beginning to see the light in the ways of forums that use Topic View, as opposed to Thread View. How wonderful it is that BYOND forums also come with a Topic View option, so I don't have to have threads like this one clogging up MY viewing space with unwanted garbage.
Thank you for understanding. Off to adjust my preferences I am. (What BYOND really needs is a Topic View that allows you to view Threads as they are generally viewed, but only after clicking on a topic.) | |
WEll, thanks Lummy. Anyway, after being badgered and told that I am the reason for people dying all over the world of AIDs, it seems our little copyright genius has gone to bed.
Flame wars are not fun or useful...but I bet by now a lot of us know a lot more about copyrights=P ~ŠalmStorm Copyrights owned by CalmStorm. All rights reserved. | |
I never shifted, I mentioned that many times in past threads and nobody seems to be paying attention to it.
FUNIMATION SAID ITS ALRIGHT, so this topic is ended.. they dont care about the donation verbs, they dont care about the rips, they dont care at all. its smaller than they are. The only reason im even speaking in these topics is to help explain things to people of how its right and how they have the rights where they have the rights, and what they are limited to with the rights bestowed upon them BY FUNIMATION. | |
Donation
3. (Law) The act or contract by which a person voluntarily transfers the title to a thing of which be is the owner, from himself to another, without any consideration, as a free gift. --Bouvier. and heres the word you are looking for. which does not fall under donation, or count against most Fangame creators Purchase To obtain in exchange for money or its equivalent; buy. To acquire by effort; earn. To move or hold with a mechanical device, such as a lever or wrench. Hmm.. I really fail to see how you claim to be intelligent yet have a serious mental handicap in perceiving the difference of these two very DIFFERENT words. | |
its people like you that ruin our great society by being a pompous ass in thinking that to be intelligent you must finish grade 12 and get a diploma.
Well in the REAL world, peoples intelligence isnt measured by their grades. | |
I'm glad to an extent that I am not a moderator, I know I wouldnt be as good at spotting out little things but I sure could of seen this coming.
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thats what im trying to say, but because Im me, my extreme personality has a magnetic grasp on idiots and never lets go of 'em. Id be lying if I said I didnt enjoy watching them dance like marrionnettes, but Id also be lying if I were to say I have control over it, I could agree wholeheartedly and they would still complain, most often would be the statement "avoiding the issue, backtracking now?, cant take the heat get out of the fire." when truth is, those comments are echoes from their crying minds under their shielding egos.
I have them pegged and they know who they are ;) | |
Dareb wrote:
Donation If the donation is solicited, however, there's where you get the problem. Purchase Gads, Dareb, must you fall back on hurling jabs at people's intelligence when you lose an argument? Any idiot can tell the words mean two different things. However, legally, for the sake of copyright law, soliciting a donation is no different than asking for payment for a purchase. In both cases the material has been misused by the person receiving the funds in order to obtain said funds. (Whether completely voluntary, unsolicited donations fit the same category, I don't know. There's room for reasonable disagreement on that point.) Lummox JR | |
They don't even share the same letters. You best learn what's legal, understand it, and back YOUR claims up.
And if you dear say something against my ethics, you are picking the wrong fight.
~CalmStorm
PS: AIDs is not a copyrighted material. I wish it were, because that would mean only a select few could get it, and it would not be killing so many. You are a fool.